Funny how "in modern times" God has only ever been interested in guiding the destiny of one country on earth: the United States. How his "restoration of true Christianity" took place in that same country and all members of his governing body came from that same country. Is God American?
MrMonroe
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The Most Insane Thing Ever Printed by the Watchtower?
by Leolaia ini found this while perusing through old golden ages at the new york public library.
it is so patently ridiculous and offensive, i thought i'd just post the thing without comment.
*** g27 11/30 pp.
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2011 District Convention Beware of Apostates Sound Clip Youtube Video
by andys ini don't know how to embed youtube videos on here but heres the link:.
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http://youtu.be/hjgzlpbjilw.
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MrMonroe
"Ungrateful murmurers who became bitter, feeling they were being mistreated." That's probably what the Pharisees and Jewish leaders said about the Christians when they walked away from their corrupt religion.
"The beliefs they disagreed with were biblical principles they didn't want to follow." In the case of "apostates" (active opponents) I would say they disagree with peculiar Watchtower interpretations of biblical principles; interpretations that twist and pervert those biblical principles and go far beyond what the Bible says. Those apostates have "carefully examined the scriptures to see whether these things are so" and decided the WTS is lying in an affort to gain control over the lives and consciences of people they beat into submission.
"They are led back to the nauseating teachings of Babyloin the Great." How many "apostates" join another church? Many give up religion entirely in disgust. Many may still accept JW positions on the trinity, etc, but reject the perverted leadership of the WTS.
"They speak abusively of glorious ones ... congregation elders and the faithful slave." Maybe that's because they resent being hounded and bullied and controlled by elders whose job is to maintain members in the firm grip of a cult. "Apostates" don't speak abusively of the faithful slave because they know there is no such thing. All doctrines are established by the religion's seven-man Governing Body, based on human reasoning. The GB is so deceptive they try to invent another layer of decision makers (the FDS) to create the impression it's somehow God directing doctrines.
"...forgetting from whom they learned these sacred things." The fact that JWs accepted certain teachings does not mean they are bound to accept them for life. The WTS forbids members from examining their teachings with other sources or listening to contradictory arguments. Once JWs gain the courage to disobey that command and discuss their concerns about illogical, contradictory doctrines with outsiders (and former members) they have every right to decide they were tricked and walk away.
A typically twisted piece of propaganda that claims dissenters are driven by pride and ambition, bent on dividing congregations. They create stereotypes, place labels on honest, sincere people who cannot conscientiously remain in a religion that lies to them and tries to control them. Dishonest, manipulative bastards.
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I hate JW jargon!!! (Alternatives please!)
by VampireDCLXV inall of us who have any ties to the jws know that they have their own vernacular, their own slang.
sure, there are formal titles that we can't really get away from: pioneer, ministerial servant, elder, ______ overseer, governing body, the (watchtower) society, etc.
but there are plenty of other bits of parlance they use that i can do without.... for example:.
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MrMonroe
"The convention was encouraging" = "I attended the convention. Right now I can't think of anything I learned or was actually interested in. But I want you to know I was there."
"They're blinded by Satan" = "They just won't swallow this shit like I did."
"Immorality" = "Screwing around"
"Self-abuse" = "wanking"
"Wait on Jehovah" = Shut the fuck up.
"A test of our faith" = "A test of how far you'll stay obedient to us when every sense of logic tells you it's bullshit."
"Marry only in the Lord" = "Marry another JW. That means if one of you does the wrong thing, we'll always have an informer."
"The slave" = "Your ruler."
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Elders came to visit...
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MrMonroe
(Sorry, iPad and JWN don't work well together).
How ludicrous that their solution for anyone who doubts that the JW cult is the truth is to go out to the public to try to draw them into the cult as well.
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Elders came to visit...
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Inactive (i.e. not reporting) witnesses won't survive armageddon
by Mickey mouse indid anyone else catch this in the talk at the convention 'are you behaving as kingdom citizen?'.
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MrMonroe
During his visit to the congregation, the circuit overseer actually made the remark that the measure of a person's Christianity could be determined by an examination of his publisher's record card!
Some years ago I spoke privately to a new PO appointed to our rather troubled congregation and expressed my real concern about a sister who had been physically and mentally done over by her alcoholic, abusive husband who was trying to intimidate her by stalking her and bugging her phone calls. She wanted to leave him; he was playing a very clever game of trying to do a big comeback by studying again, thus getting everyone to "encourage" him and take his side so she wouldn't walk out. She was a wreck of a woman, a walking skeleton and bent over by the pressure of her dreadful family life.
That elder told me: "I've looked at her records and I can tell you her field service hasn't changed in the past year. That tells me she is not suffering spiritually at all."
That was the first time I'd realised just how much those idiot elders judged the "spirituality" of members of the congregation by a number they wrote on a piece of paper. Soon after I began observing how many immature, obsequious and brainless young men were being identified as "Christian elders" because of the number they wrote on their piece of paper.
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Terrible Analogy at a Convention
by ApostateDance ini'd love to know what you guys think of this.
brother jackson (from the governing body) had this "neat" analogy at the very end of the convention.
he said; "what if you were watching a football game on tv, and it was the trojans against the fighting irish, and it's been a good game.
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MrMonroe
Spot on, Palmtree67. And isn't is damned annoying how the rules of the game keep changing and players keep getting sent to the sin bin for asking questions when the rules don't make sense.
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Whenever a newbie signs on...
by satinka inwhenever a newbie signs on...my heart skips a beat.
i wonder if it might be my son?
my daughter?
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MrMonroe
Not a new member, but I discovered recently that I was once in the same congregation as relatives of Hopscotch, and that I've almost certainly met her as well many years ago. It provides a bit of a buzz.
I also spent five years in the same congo as Sizemik some years ago, so catching up (online) after all that time was good.
But I, too, hope that I'll bump into more people here who have woken up and got out of that crazy whacked religion.
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Hi, Newbie Here
by Iseenow inwell i have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and have finally decided to create an account.
just wanted to introduce myself and relate my life story in the borg, specifically from the past few weeks- which i think has been a lot easier than many on the board.
anyway, my mum began to study when i was 10 (2005) and since then has been babtized; she strongly believes it is the truth.
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MrMonroe
Thanks AnnOMaly. I take it that's Carl Olof Jonsson's essay? Well researched and after all this time it provides an answer I've never had to the WTS claims that they predicted the rise of the UN. Back when I was in the org I guess I vaguely accepted it (or was intrigued by its apparent success), but since I left and dug deeper into the various claims of the WTS, discovering all of them were lies or exaggerations, I assumed this one stank as well. That essay provides the confirmation.
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Hi, Newbie Here
by Iseenow inwell i have been lurking for the past couple of weeks and have finally decided to create an account.
just wanted to introduce myself and relate my life story in the borg, specifically from the past few weeks- which i think has been a lot easier than many on the board.
anyway, my mum began to study when i was 10 (2005) and since then has been babtized; she strongly believes it is the truth.
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MrMonroe
Hi Iseenow, thanks for your story. I would be very interested to hear from this elder which predictions the WTS did get right. Ask him for a list, because I can't think of any they could claim to be correct. They always throw the "revival of the United Nations" into the ring, but to me that's more like people applying Nostradamus' predictions .... now and then you'll get something that's vaguely correct if you squint your eyes.
They often claim that Russell predicted world upheaval in 1914, which is an out and out distortion of facts, because as varioius websites including this one point out, he expected Jesus would be ruling the earth by then and there would be no more human governments or churches by then. So that was clearly wrong.
The problem is that on one hand they say they are God's mouthpiece, so you better believe and obey them or you'll die .... and then when they get it wrong (as they have repeatedly, just like Harold Camping) they say, "Well, hey, we're only human!" You can't have it both ways.