anyone here ever try to host a small benefit-type gathering for a witness in need?
my wife's aunt and uncle fell on hard times and someone decided to have a gathering where everyone brought a little food and then could give them a little money if wanted.
it was all pretty informal and unofficial but for some reason their son contacted the co to make sure it was okay to do something a little unconventional.
All over the bible [old and new testament] it is written about the giving of alms to the poor.
Widows, orphans and the sick are always singled out as folks to give alms to yet it is still amazing to me that the WTS simply ignores those very worthy causes and takes all cash for itself.
Very contridictory is the best thing that you could say about the WTS in most of it's doctrines and policys.
dc
i told a current longtime jw friend who hasn't been to a meeting in months now :) this statement:.
"if jw's were so honest and this was the true religion that they really and i mean really believed was the truth, how come they never tell any of their return visits or children before babtizim that if they ever choose to think differently and believe differently and decides they no longer want to be one of jehovahs witness, they will be shunned by all former friends and last but not least family??!!
do you really think if they were told this "disclosure" at the time of studying they would continue?
There are plenty of questions that you could ask a JW to have them think of their position, but not many would make them change their system of belief.
I thought that I had the stumper question. "If Jesus is a god, then what kind of god is he, true or false?"
It is not until a person is ready to honestly look at their beliefs. If they're not ready, no question will work imho.
dc
anyone here ever try to host a small benefit-type gathering for a witness in need?
my wife's aunt and uncle fell on hard times and someone decided to have a gathering where everyone brought a little food and then could give them a little money if wanted.
it was all pretty informal and unofficial but for some reason their son contacted the co to make sure it was okay to do something a little unconventional.
I've had this discussion with my koolaid drinking brother. He stated that JWs had gone to give aid after the big tsunami from a couple of years ago and after the earthquake in Haiti. He maintains that JWs [as an organization] gives and helps all the time.
I asked him to name a JW hospital, orphanage or foodbank and he just shrugs.
I asked him 'What if everyone gave to those biblical causes?'
Then I asked him 'What if no one gave to those causes?'
All cash goes to the Watchtower as far as I know.
dc
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the truth that leads to eternal life.
the truth that leads to eternal life was a bible study textbook published in 1968 and revised in 1981 (now out of print).. the 1990 edition of the guinness book of records included this book under its heading "highest printings".. according to the guinness book, by may 1987 it had reached 106,486,735 copies, in 116 languages.. .
Not the biggest lie, but one of the funniest to me is
"The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914 because it is fixed by the law God gave to Israel." Watchtower 1st Sept 1922
dc
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the truth that leads to eternal life.
the truth that leads to eternal life was a bible study textbook published in 1968 and revised in 1981 (now out of print).. the 1990 edition of the guinness book of records included this book under its heading "highest printings".. according to the guinness book, by may 1987 it had reached 106,486,735 copies, in 116 languages.. .
When I think of the biggest lie from the WTS, I think of 'Millions living now will never die'
dc
i was reading an article from the awake on spousal abuse, and something else caught my eye.
"the bible long ago foretold that during the last days of this system of things, many would be abusive, with no natural affection, and fierce.
(2 timothy 3:1-3; thenewenglishbible) the prevalence of spouse abuse is simply another indication that we are living in the very time period designated by this prophecy.
Hi New- as you know, it is WTS mantra that the end is [always] near and if you want to be saved, you must get on board. I think they give any examples that can to prove their position. This is not the most ridiculous example that I have heard.
Hell, I couldn't even tell you the most ridiculous that I have heard as there have been sooo many laughable examples in their books and booklets.
dc
i was raised a catholic until the age of eight which was a normal life.
my mother took everything the jws said literally and this destroyed my schooling and education.. the issue that i have with this religion is that they contradict what they say about education and elders encourage parents to prevent kids from gaining a college or university education as the jw objectives should be the primary goal in life.. they sometimes seemed to encourage education and recently i checked and now they are saying that education leads to alienation and suicide.
they state that university leads to immorality and drug taking.
True, cults do not like critical thinking and the longer that you stay on this site, the more contridictions with the WTS you will find. I was never a JW, but my brother and his family of four all are and have been for decades. Like you, raised Catholic and expected to further their education....but instead have settled for low income, low impact, low self esteem and miserable jobs. [I'm talking about door to door service].
Welcome to the board,
sincerely,
dc
im a mormon now and have been one for the last 3 months.
at first i really liked it but now i am starting to have 2nd thoughts, i grew up as a jehovahs witness and was disfellowshiped at 19 i really started to look for a new church in july of this year.
i started out in a christian church which i really liked but i didnt understand the jesus as god thing/trinity.
New Chapter you need not believe the scriptures, but you need not also to deny what is written and ignore it. Being a unitarian you probably [like many JWs] accept only portions of the scriptures or perhaps there are portions that you do not accept would be a more accurate statement.
Often people post about what Jews or Muslims or Mormons believe and try to equate that with Christendom. Of course it doesn't equate. Ask Christians about Christianity, not Jews or Mormons or Muslims.
You don;t go to a dentist for broken limbs, right?
or are they as correct as any other false religion?.
Maybe, even a broken clock is right twice a day. But I would never bet my life or even an enemy's on anything that comes from the WTS.
dc
im a mormon now and have been one for the last 3 months.
at first i really liked it but now i am starting to have 2nd thoughts, i grew up as a jehovahs witness and was disfellowshiped at 19 i really started to look for a new church in july of this year.
i started out in a christian church which i really liked but i didnt understand the jesus as god thing/trinity.
Great posts by all. Fiery, informative and funny per the norm. I agree Shades. The scriptural evidence equating Jesus Christ with God [obviously seperate from the Father] is overwhelming. Only diehard unitarians will continue to deny what the scriptures actually say. It's sad to see that they always address God's oneness and never acknowledge the scriptural truths written for all to read.
IE - My friend DESIGNS posted 2 Billion christians are wrong godrulz, ask a Rabbi what 'One God' means, it is different from what the RCC defines 'one god' to mean.
Revisionists ssssshh.
Designs, Designs, Designs, Been reading the 'should you believe in the trinity' booklet again. Haven't you learned that booklet is full of lying garbage? Sheese. I know that I've pointed this out to you on other occassions, perhaps you had forgotten, but because you are a 'student' I shall try to explain to you again in laymans' terms. In the Hebrew language [the language of the Old Testament] there are 2 words for one. The word 'yachid' refers to a singular one meaning only one. The other word for one in Hebrew is 'echad' wich means a compound or unified one. Examples in the scriptures include 'evening and morning becoming one ['echad] day, husband and wife becoming one ['echad] flesh and the Lord God is one ['echad] God.
Of course, the word Trinity is not present, but God being one [yachid] singular is also non-existant in the OT.
Respectfully,
DC
