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  I've Cried for Days

  by Smoldering Wick in

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  i have been separated from the jws now for 4 years.

  the first year, i went into a deep and severe clinical depression.

  i think that's what happens when you are 3rd generation jw, born and raised.

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  (((((((((((((((TMS & Wick))))))))))))))))))))

  This is exactly the thing that I want to happen in my own family! I'm so happy that you two have reunited.
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  A sickening example of religious vampirism

  by expatbrit in

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  the link below leads to a webpage for a play entitled it's not too late: a christian drama/musical inspired by the columbine tragedy.. here is the synopsis of the play:.

  the story takes place during one day at a high school.. .

  mr. brooks is the custodian of the high school.

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  I know that this is my third post on this, but I just read the Salon.com article. It sounds to me like somebody is trying to get rich off of poor Cassie Bernhall's death. That's sad. Using fear tactics to try to turn people to God. That sounds like the JW brand of Christianity.
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  A sickening example of religious vampirism

  by expatbrit in

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  the link below leads to a webpage for a play entitled it's not too late: a christian drama/musical inspired by the columbine tragedy.. here is the synopsis of the play:.

  the story takes place during one day at a high school.. .

  mr. brooks is the custodian of the high school.

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  Where was the play being performed? Was that for a church function, or was it being used to make new converts? If that was for a church event, I don't necessarily find it all that offensive. But if used for evangelism purposes, I don't think that it is necessary to try and capitalize off a tragedy to turn people to Christ. The Bible speaks for itself and it doesn't need a sales pitch. 'Turn to God or die like the Columbine Kids' No, I don't think so.
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  A sickening example of religious vampirism

  by expatbrit in

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  the link below leads to a webpage for a play entitled it's not too late: a christian drama/musical inspired by the columbine tragedy.. here is the synopsis of the play:.

  the story takes place during one day at a high school.. .

  mr. brooks is the custodian of the high school.

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  Were the shooters at Columbine athiests? I hadn't heard that. I saw a book about that young woman at a Christian book store. I hope and pray that someone is not just trying to get financial gain from a tragedy. I don't know about the bad athiest/good christian thing. There have been some pretty horiffic crimes committed by so-called Christians. Who was that guy in Waco, Texas? Didn't he say he was a Christian?
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  a little stuff about me, and a request

  by flower in

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  i hope this doesnt come out sounding self righteous or anything like that.

  forgive me if it sounds like an attempt to...i dont know..gain sympathy or something like that...its not.. i have been here a lot over the past couple of months since i found out the truth about the truth.

  i've used this place as sort of a support system.

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  Flower,

  Email me, girlfriend. I used to chat with another young lady on the support4xjws.org board, and we talked about the differences in leaving the JW for African-Americans. Actually, our whole experience as JWs has alot of different nuances, but I guess that's with any religion. This is not to diminish anyone else's support to be sure! All words of love and encouragement are essential to the healing process. It's just another thing in common that we have. Your story sounds so much like mine. That depression and self hate is real especially when fear and mind control tactics have been used on you since you were a child.

  I am definitely going to pray for you. For your recovery and for your deliverance from a lifetime of brainwashing. This is not to sound like a 'holy roller', but the prayers of others helped me. Jesus loves you, flower, and he has not forgotten you. Jehovah has not turned his back on you and you have not turned your back on him. His arms are open wide and waiting to embrace you.

  Email me if you want to talk more, because I don't want to offend anyone on this board.
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  Ya'll dont believe in God?

  by flower in

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  i have to ask this although i have a feeling i dont really want to read the responses but anyway.

  i talked to several people here today who dont believe there is a god at all.

  this is disturbing!

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  Hi Flower and everyone else. I guess from my screen name you all can see that I do believe in God. First off, let me say why I believe in God. I have faith, because he has answered my prayers. I believe God because I have seen what has occurred in the lives of people who have opened their hearts and embraced him. When I get on my knees in my prayer room, I feel his presence.

  There were times in my struggle with leaving the JWs that I thought I couldn't make it mentally. I felt that all my strength was gone, and I just wanted life to be over. I didn't know how to pray, and I didn't pray. Other people in my life prayed for me, and I believe that God sustained me through those times. I'm not going to try and condemn anyone's belief system, but I'm happy with mine.

  Some people here have commented on the 'Once saved always saved' doctrine of some Christian faiths. I don't accept this. I believe that God wants us to live holy as he is holy, but that we are unable to do this without HIM. The whole point of the apostle Paul's speech in Romans 6-7 was to prove that he was unable to live sinlessly without the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit.

  As far as proving that God exists, well that's an interesting study. How do you prove that your spouse loves you? Is it because of the things they do for you? Is it because of how they support you and make you feel? Well, the bible says that God is Love. I can prove that he loves me because of how he has blessed my life.

  Alot of people use horrible things that happen, like the WTC bombings to try to prove that God doesn't exist. I believe in the bible and that God has left it up to mankind to choose HIM. The blood of innocent people that is shed does not go unavenged by God. I also feel that God's view of death is not like ours. If your soul is immortal, then death is not an end. Jesus never referred to anyone as being 'gone' when they died, but only sleeping. God may not stop bad things from occurring, but he freely gives his love to those hurting and will provide comfort.
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  Spoke with a dub on ever changing doctrine...

  by stocwach in

  1. watchtower
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  i asked him how could it be the true religion with all the numerous doctrinal changes.

  this is how he replied to me in an email:.

  " another thing mentioned was the apostles (known as the governing body).

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  Also tell your friend to examine the verses that he gave you. Acts 15:23-24

  'This is the letter they took along with them: This letter is from the apostles and elders, your brothers in Jerusalem. It is written to the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria, and Silicia.

  Greetings! We understand that some men from here have troubled you and upset you with their teaching, but they had no such instructions from us. So it seemed good to us, having unanimously agreed on our decision, to send you these official representatives, along with our beloved Barnabas and Paul.

  Who have risked their lives for the sake of our lord Jesus Christ. So we are sending Judas and Silas to tell you what we have decided concerning your question. For it seemed good to the holy spirit and to us to lay no greater burden on you than these requirements......'(New Living Translation)

  Notice the portion in bold. The apostles were not the ones divided on the circumcision issue. They just clarified things for the congregation because of a teaching that someone tried to bring into the congregation.

  Also, I don't know if I was clear in my previous post, but I said all that to say that the Gentiles were ALWAYS a part of the Abrahamic covenant. It was not a change based on the Jews lack of reception of Jesus. Okay, that's it I'm done.
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  Spoke with a dub on ever changing doctrine...

  by stocwach in

  1. watchtower
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  i asked him how could it be the true religion with all the numerous doctrinal changes.

  this is how he replied to me in an email:.

  " another thing mentioned was the apostles (known as the governing body).

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  Tell your dub friend to read Genesis 18:18 'Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him.' Acts 3:25 'Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, and in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.'

  These scriptures show that the promise of Abraham was to produce a seed to bless the entire earth, not just the Jews. God's plans do not change based on the sentiments of people (Jews rejecting Jesus).

  Tell him that when God interprets visions and dreams in the bible, the interpretation is final, they don't change. What do you think the Pharoah would have done to Joseph, if he came back and said, 'That dream I told you about with the 7 fat cows and 7 emaciated cows doesn't have anything to do with abundance and famine. I've got some new light. Today, God told me that the dream was about a big barbecue contest, and that your seven fat cows are going to win.' I'm not being silly, but that's exactly how ridiculous some of the JW interpretations of prophecy are.
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  I'm stuck in limbo, what to do?

  by conflicted in

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  if you don't know my past i'll paraphrase: basically, i got away from the dubs, but their teachings, dogma, doctine, mindset still have grips on aspects of my life.

  i just can't let some of it go.. i was raised in the "truth" and left because i wanted a life of my own.

  i didn't have doubts about their teachings, but resolved myself to die at the big a so i could have a real life now.

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  Hi conflicted,

  I too, was still a believer when I left. I had every intention of living a moral free life :-). My thinking was, I'm going to die anyway, so why not. But for me, living without a purpose or thinking that my life meant nothing was depressing. Read Crisis of Conscience!!!!! That freed me of every lingering doubt about doctrine. Now, there are a lot of views on this board on how you should live after leaving the JWs. IF you still believe in the bible, get yourself an easy to read translation, (I can't really get into the King James version) and read it. I was telling someone in another thread that everytime I open my bible, another JW teaching is proved wrong.
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  My horrible encounter with the JC machine

  by jesussaves in

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  i'm new here, allow me to introduce myself.

  i am a 27 year old married mother of three.

  i was also a third generation jw.

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  jesussaves

  Sadly, my mother never got the help that she needed. She is getting worse. Anytime I suggest that she seek counseling, she goes off on me. Yes, those freaky elders asked me if I reached the big 'O'. I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out why they needed to know that. I only posted a small portion of my story, there's tons more. It will probably leak out in chatting with you guys.