I just go by the WTS' logic that they say getting baptized is the most important decision one can make. If it is the most important, getting married is most likely a close second, if a kid isn't old enough to contemplate marriage seriously, how can they be ready for baptism?
The_Doctor10
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Why Child Baptisms Are Invalid Using WT Logic
by JW_Rogue inwhen i was baptized as a child i remember quite well that there were six steps that one must take before getting baptized.
i recently looked up some articles on this subject on jw.org and the latest article says there are 9 steps.
they now include field service and going to the meetings as steps.
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Creationist Museum Acquires 5,000-Year-Old T. Rex Skeleton
by freemindfade increationist museum acquires 5,000-year-old t. rex skeleton.
news january 15, 2003. vol 39 issue 01 science & technology science religion.
tulsa, okin a major coup for the growing field of creation science, the perfectly preserved remains of a 5,000-year-old tyrannosaurus rex were delivered monday to tulsa's creationist museum of natural history.. .
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LOL I better not see this posted by JW friends on my FB page...
I remember 3 of my friends posting the story about how the chariots from the Exodus were found and they were like, "Just more proof for the Bible!" , "Jehovah has revealed another of his works!" Etc...
It was a story from worldnewsdailyreport... I told them all to check their sources, WNDR is a fake news site.
This simple task of vetting a satire site just impressed upon me the JWs woeful lack of source-checking skill or even the thought that one might want to/should do so.
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What's the story since the bank accounts have been emptied
by joe134cd ini'm just curious if any body knows or can give an example of a kingdom hall that needed renovating/repairing after the kh bank accounts were stripped.
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At my old congregation the local BOE had already voted to use funds, they even took the congregation vote on the proposal to build an expansion on the back of the hall to build it into an apartment for C.O. visits or when we have any special speakers in town, etc... They had the funds, the BOE unanimously voted yes, then came the money grubbing letter from WTS...
They were told that the money could still be used for their project, they would just submit their proposal to the WTS and they would get their funds approved. Once the WTS got their money, the subsequent proposal to use their funds was denied.
The BOE just took it in stride, I saw it as straight up robbery, WE raised that money, WE allocated those funds to be used at our hall, WTS takes the money and then tells us how we can't use the money WE saved.
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Feel like a new fire has been lit
by The_Doctor10 ini've spent the last 6 months or so really in depth into ttatt, really angry at times, cursing the cult that is the wts led by the fds, and today i feel like i've found a new fire.
i'd been completely opposed to listening to anything to do with the organization, but today i watched the brie video on youtube, young high school girl pouring her heart out in opposition of the wts and its practices.. from there, i found jwstruggle on youtube, johncedars, and derekohare... it's just a wonderful thing finding people willing to out the wts for what it is.
i had felt such anger, like, they're getting away with their bologna, but to see people like this making stands against the wts is an amazing source of hope.. besides forums such as this, what have you found that helped you?.
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I've spent the last 6 months or so really in depth into TTATT, really angry at times, cursing the cult that is the WTS led by the FDS, and today I feel like I've found a new fire. I'd been completely opposed to listening to anything to do with the organization, but today I watched the Brie video on YouTube, young high school girl pouring her heart out in opposition of the WTS and its practices.
From there, I found JWStruggle on YouTube, JohnCedars, and DerekOhare... It's just a wonderful thing finding people willing to out the WTS for what it is. I had felt such anger, like, they're getting away with their bologna, but to see people like this making stands against the WTS is an amazing source of hope.
Besides forums such as this, what have you found that helped you?
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Has any apostate ever lied at a JC about being apostate?
by purrpurr ini watched/ listened to the brave and courageous souls on youtube who bravely recorded their jc's.
you really see a different and horrid side to the elders there.
it might sound whimpy but i don't think i would be able to stand strong like those guys did.
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I'm keeping my head low, just slowly fading away is all... There may come a time when I outspokenly oppose the organization, but for now, the slow fade is working for me. -
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1993 AWAKE on Child Abuse
by The_Doctor10 in10/8/93 awake article about child abuse misconceptions, checkout the second misconception: children fantasize or lie about abuse.. this article notes how it's extremely unlikely that children lie in cases of abuse (95% in some estimates are truthful) and how even among the ones who lie it's usually when they make a claim (in truth) but then subsequently lie and say it didn't happen, when in actuality, it did.. given this knowledge, why the two witness rule?
95% odds that the child who claims abuse is telling the truth by the awakes own admission, that should be more than enough to change policies of the wts.. http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g19931008/about-child-abuse/#?insight%5bsearch_id%5d=8d161c40-c4d0-4ddb-aadf-bcf2b480d55b&insight%5bsearch_result_index%5d=0.
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Oh make no mistake about it, I definitely want those other policies changed into a "contact the local authorities first," policy. That's what needs to be done.
I just posed the one two witness policy, since the 95% odds of truth was cited in the article, this would apply to the "two witness," rule since it'd be the first rule applied in cases of reports to elders.
If a child goes to an elder to make a claim, the elder won't immediately put any weight to what the child says because he needs a second witness despite the 95% probability of the claim, is all I was getting at since their own article backs this up. The two witness rule is an impediment to the others being applied.
I completely agree with you that the entire policy should be uprooted in favor of a report it to the local law enforcement first and let them handle it. Enough of this "let's hide the pedo," policy.
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1993 AWAKE on Child Abuse
by The_Doctor10 in10/8/93 awake article about child abuse misconceptions, checkout the second misconception: children fantasize or lie about abuse.. this article notes how it's extremely unlikely that children lie in cases of abuse (95% in some estimates are truthful) and how even among the ones who lie it's usually when they make a claim (in truth) but then subsequently lie and say it didn't happen, when in actuality, it did.. given this knowledge, why the two witness rule?
95% odds that the child who claims abuse is telling the truth by the awakes own admission, that should be more than enough to change policies of the wts.. http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g19931008/about-child-abuse/#?insight%5bsearch_id%5d=8d161c40-c4d0-4ddb-aadf-bcf2b480d55b&insight%5bsearch_result_index%5d=0.
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Anything other than a complete policy change in how to handle accusations of child abuse as well as the reporting to the congregation about known child abusers/molesters within the halls, would be saddistic and an utter disservice to the congregations. -
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1993 AWAKE on Child Abuse
by The_Doctor10 in10/8/93 awake article about child abuse misconceptions, checkout the second misconception: children fantasize or lie about abuse.. this article notes how it's extremely unlikely that children lie in cases of abuse (95% in some estimates are truthful) and how even among the ones who lie it's usually when they make a claim (in truth) but then subsequently lie and say it didn't happen, when in actuality, it did.. given this knowledge, why the two witness rule?
95% odds that the child who claims abuse is telling the truth by the awakes own admission, that should be more than enough to change policies of the wts.. http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g19931008/about-child-abuse/#?insight%5bsearch_id%5d=8d161c40-c4d0-4ddb-aadf-bcf2b480d55b&insight%5bsearch_result_index%5d=0.
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10/8/93 Awake article about child abuse misconceptions, checkout the second misconception: Children fantasize or lie about abuse.
This article notes how it's extremely unlikely that children lie in cases of abuse (95% in some estimates are truthful) and how even among the ones who lie it's usually when they make a claim (in truth) but then subsequently lie and say it didn't happen, when in actuality, it did.
Given this knowledge, why the two witness rule? 95% odds that the child who claims abuse is telling the truth by the Awakes own admission, that should be more than enough to change policies of the WTS.
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Faith v Fact - New Book by Jerry Coyne
by cofty injerry coyne has been in the news with the release of a new book "faith v fact".. you can read a review from the independent here.... "he argues that there is a direct and unavoidable conflict between faith and science.
both make truth claims about the universe.
but only science has the means to test, refute or refine its claims.
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Even when I was "in," the fact that the "Truth" could never be questioned always bothered me. Simple reasoning, "If the truth is the truth then no line of questioning can hurt it, so why be so worried about people questioning?"
This is why after I finally completely obliterated my faith in JW doctrine, and subsequently the Bible itself, turning to Science was the best thing ever because its foundation is basically, 'Question Everything!' which is what is so great, Science can be wrong, it'll admit it too, to be wrong is to learn, it's a wonderful foundation.
It just sucks so much that I didn't have this information through my teen years.
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Faith v Fact - New Book by Jerry Coyne
by cofty injerry coyne has been in the news with the release of a new book "faith v fact".. you can read a review from the independent here.... "he argues that there is a direct and unavoidable conflict between faith and science.
both make truth claims about the universe.
but only science has the means to test, refute or refine its claims.
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Love his, "Evidence for Evolution," speech, showed many point by point explanations for all of the evidence. Included link to the video below if anyone hasn't seen it: