Posts by sabastious

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sabastious

Why Jehovah’s Witnesses “Universal Sovereignty” Doctrine is Fallacious

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in a concept that God’s “Universal Sovereignty” is currently in question by his rebellious spirit creation Satan the Devil.

His “right to rule” became in question when Satan the Devil brought up the question in the Genesis Account of “why do humans and spirit creatures rely on God to live?”

This spiraled Humans into the chaos that is our history: War, famine, pestilence and natural disasters all leading to the ultimate fate of Death.

There are two main points to why even if this “test” were in action it has been wholly tainted and must be brought back to the drawing board!

The first point is that God has not left the world alone. He continues to meddle with the affairs of humans from the time of the Tower of Babel to the inevitable “fall of all false religion”, when he puts it into the hearts of the nations to kill the harlot, which the Witnesses prophesy to occur soon.

This in effect taints the test that “humans cannot rule themselves.” We never really had a chance to show our stuff so-to-speak since God had a concrete plan the second we “sinned.” Why attest the reasons for our calamities as “we cannot rule ourselves” when we all know we really never were given a chance to rule ourselves on our own without supernatural intervention?

The second main point is the meddling of a second entity that is the Angelic Rebellion. Satan and his Demons continually work behind the scenes, invisibly, to corrupt and destroy the earth. Their obsession with sex and violence has been a major motivation while controlling humans alike around the world. They have created a rich world full of sinful desires of the flesh and mind of us all. Humans never had a chance to live in a world free from the corruption of this Invisible Rebellion or immeasurable power!

Once all Jehovah’s Witness Prophecies are fulfilled and everything is said and done only one fact will be proven: that this Angelic Rebellion cannot rule the planet. They are too weak for God and his Angels, humans cannot withstand their temptations and Satan will have been proven a liar. But what about the Humans? Could they not challenge God in the exact same manner once Satan’s Challenge has been taken care of?

What if in the New System a group of people ask: “God, I believe our world of happiness despite inevitable death is better than your world of eternal torture! Leave us be! Do not meddle in our affairs and see what we can make for ourselves without supernatural intervention! Satan has been proven a liar, but Humans can create a virtuous society.”

Would Jehovah not be obligated to allow Humans a second go at it as stated above? Of course, because that challenge was not satisfied when Satan failed. So everything Jehovah’s Witnesses fight for is in vain, since it is not proving anything about Jehovah’s Sovereignty, but only proving that Satan the Devil, a being of pure evil is not a good “God of the Earth.”

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"All athiests/agnostics will regret their path and beg God to take them in before their death..."

by sabastious in

that's what my older jw brother of 34 said a few months back.

he actually 100% believes that an athiest cannot have a happy life.. -sab.

sabastious

I wish I could show him this thread, but alas.

-Sab

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"All athiests/agnostics will regret their path and beg God to take them in before their death..."

by sabastious in

that's what my older jw brother of 34 said a few months back.

he actually 100% believes that an athiest cannot have a happy life.. -sab.

sabastious

That's what my older JW brother of 34 said a few months back. He actually 100% believes that an Athiest cannot have a happy life.

-Sab

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Were You Surprised That The "World" Was Not As Bad As The Watchtower Claimed?

by minimus in

jw
friends

if you leave the "safe waters" of the organization and go back into the world, you are doomed to misery----per the watchtower.....was that your experience?.

sabastious

The Watchtower is worse than the world BY FAR.

Because there is always a way of escape from the world's injustice. Escaping the Watchtower's injustice is impossible, even if you leave it and never return, it comes with a price that is paid for a lifetime.

-Sab

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Undeserved Kindness vs Grace - Watchtower flaw in a NUTSHELL

by sabastious in

romans 1:7. new international version.

"to all in rome who are loved by god and called to be saints: .

grace and peace to you from god our father and from the lord jesus christ.".

sabastious

Romans 1:7

New International Version

"To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints:

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ."

Romans 1:7

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

"to all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones:

May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ"

This spells out why JWs tend to be guilt-ridden messes. Constantly looking to do more than they are currently doing.

This gives insight into the control the Governing Body has on the members. The stranglehold lies within this very concept.

The message is almost subliminal and ingrained into the doctrine expertly.

Think of it this way:

You are in hard financial times and a good friend bales you out with a sizable check. You are very grateful. The watchtower's "Undeserved Kindness" dwells on the part of the fact that the friend DIDN'T have to give you that check, and reminds you of it whenever he can. Most other Christians apply the doctrine of "Grace" which focuses on the loving aspect of the gift, which requires no payback and never a word of it again. Grace is still underserved, but deserving is a moot point when discussing the application.

If that friend incessantly reminded you that he bailed you out and everything you ever do is a result of his undeserved gift, most humans would end up stop being that persons friend and likely find a way to pay him back so he would stop holding it over your head.

On the other hand, if the friend never says a thing about the gift again, the relationship can flourish and be strengthened by a true bond of love.

If you are not out of the Watchtower and are reading this, I invite you to take a good look at the "friendship" you have had with the Society's Jesus. Does the Society's Jesus sound like a good friend? A friend that gives because of love and asks nothing in return? Or does their Jesus hold his grusome tragic death over your head constantly and keep dwelling on the fact that you never deserved that kind of sacrifice?

Food for thought.

-Sab

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Is it mind control or just strong social conformity?

by AK - Jeff in

or are the two interconnected?.

just watched a dateline episode that dealt with social conformity in which they duplicated the 50's experiment telling a person to shock another while listening to him scream from the other room.

most of the people involved just kept shocking the other person due to the authority figure in the room telling them to continue.. so, are jw's under mind control in it's purest form, or just under social conformity pressure?

sabastious

It's blackmail really.

You get in, not fully understanding the gravity of the commitment. Once you want out, it is available, at a price.

-Sab

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How I obtained my personal files from Bethel

by jwfacts in

it has taken me a long time, but i have finally put together an article outlining how i used the law to force bethel to send me my personal files.

it is a very long article full of scans, so i have linked to it at http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/personal-files-privacy-act-1988.php.

in brief, in 2006 i requested that bethel send me my files on the basis that the australian privacy act 1988 entitles people to receive a copy of any information a corporation holds about them.

sabastious

Wouldn't the acronym be BTTB for this forum :)

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Are the GB members and other elite persons captives as well?

by darthfader in

i know that the masses have definitely drunk the kool-aid but does that same conviction flow all the way to the top?

is there a clear line between those following and those in the know?

what current proof is there that the leadership is not captive, but the captor?

sabastious

They arn't captives, but that's the wrong question alltogether.

Think about dictators that command mass genocide. They never WANT to kill millions of people, they just JUSTIFY it as the ONLY OPTION. The same goes for the Governing Body. They do know that they are using manipulation tactics, but it's for the "good of their members"

They know best, and I know for a fact that they 100% believe that.

-Sab