Posts by notverylikely

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Can you be an atheist and believe in logic and maths?

by passwordprotected in

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atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e.

they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no god.. can you, therefore, be an atheist but believe in logic and maths?

they're also not made of matter.. is it true to say, then, that the atheist worldview is contradictory?

notverylikely

I'm just asking the question as to whether claiming that all that exists is matter - and constantly changing matter at that - is contradictory to holding up the laws of logic and maths.

No.....you're trying to prove atheists are inconsistent in their beliefs by setting up a false choice. And there are places where known math and the theories on the how the universe works breaks down. But....science knows this. It's a self correcting system. Your question is as valid as asking you if you have stopped beating your wife yet.

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Can you be an atheist and believe in logic and maths?

by passwordprotected in

jw
friends

atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e.

they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no god.. can you, therefore, be an atheist but believe in logic and maths?

they're also not made of matter.. is it true to say, then, that the atheist worldview is contradictory?

notverylikely

I don't see my question about the possible contradictory nature of the naturalistic materialist worldview being addressed; either everything is matter and constantly changing, or it isn't?

You are creating a false dichotomy. Look it up.

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Have They Found Noah's Ark ? - Again.....

by BluesBrother in

"there is a story circulating around the net, started by a group called noahs ark ministries, which claims they have found noahs ark on mount ararat in turkey.. a group of chinese and turkish evangelical explorers say they have brought back wood specimens from atop mount ararat in turkey that they believe to be from noahs ark.

claiming they found a wood structure with compartments and samples that date carbon date to 4,800 years ago, they say it is 99% certain it is the ark of biblical fame.

http://thepostanything.gather.com/viewarticle.action?articleid=281474978201133&grpid=3659174697244816.

notverylikely

So, can anyone determine for a certainty that a global flood is impossible?

Yes.

What is so scary about just being honest in telling everyone how you know if something is true or not? What would make you avoid a "trick" question like that? And, remember the answer isn't what some people think.

Why do you think someone is scared?

Anyway...."true" is a relative term depending what you are talking about. If I were to ask someone in China if the sun were up right now, they would say no, but for me that is false. 100 years ago if you were to ask someone if it were possible to run 1 mile in under 4 minutes, they would say no, no possible, and at that time it was true. now it isn't true.

You need to clarify what you are asking before you can get an answer. Specifically, what are you asking about?

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Whose Voice Should We Listen To?

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, and all those who go with... may you have peace!.

i was recently directed to post some truths about the harlot, babylon the great, including who she is (i.e., those who profess to be in union with christ, but are not, and so commit fornication with the "kings of the earth" (e.g., persons such as popes, gb members, and other so-called "leaders" who believe they have been given charge over a "kingdom"... but have not... yet (revelation 17:12)... and when they are, it is soley for the purpose of destroying the harlot (revelation 17:13, 16-18)).. some have taken issue with this truth (who babylon the great is), and praise jah, our lord has given me more to share with you on that matter.

some of you may have already received this truth; however, for those who have not, i share the following, taken from chapters 8 and 9 of the proverbs:.

notverylikely

Your case is entirely different from Thomas', dear one. In Thomas' case, Thomas believed from the start.

There you go again, presuming you know something about me and using your imagination to fill the blanks to make your point. You can't do that. I did beleive too, and then had doubts.

Be all of that as it may, it was what he said to Thomas NEXT that is of importance and takes into consideration YOUR case:

That is completely irrelevant to my point, which you are doing your best to avoid. Having faith seems to be irrelevant when god (and in this case, we are specifically talking about jesus) when god is making the decision to physically manifest himself. Again, see Balaam, Neb, Thomas, Moses, etc.

Now, you want to put yourself on the same "level" as Thomas and say, "Well, unless I HEAR [with my ears] or SEE [with my eyes]... I won't believe."

Why not? Are we not all human? Are you saying Thomas, by virtues OF NOT having faith, was more special? What about Judas Iscariot? He was an apostle. What about the random Israelites and Romans Jesus appeared before or passed on the street and chatted with? Were they more special than the billions living today? They weren't asking for anything but suddenly there was the son of god standing there in the street doing miracle. Many of them had no idea who Jesus even was or, of they did, had no faith (like Romans and the Pharisees). They had no faith and weren't asking for anything.

But I cannot apologize for or deny them... because then I might as well apologize for and deny my own existence. Which I simply cannot do. Why? One reason: it would be a LIE.

No one is asking you to.

I mean, at least dear Outlaw is HONEST.

Most children are. They still act like children and need to be treated as such, however.

With regard to my use of the Bible... you are absolutely right. And I cannot TELL you how much I truly HATE that I have to do so. I would SO much rather just share these things with you and others...

OK, so, at this point you are kind of saying you are completely uninspired by God. You said parts of the bible are uninspired, you quote them ad also tell me you have had god bear witness of the same things to you in visions. If they are uninspired and yet you are having that same uninspired witness borne to you, then that makes you uninspired as well.

HOW did I see it? By looking at the One we were told to look at: Christ. The Mirror.

What about Muslims or Tibetans or or native americans 300 years ago? They weren't told to look at christ.

But I cannot apologize for or deny them... because then I might as well apologize for and deny my own existence. Which I simply cannot do. Why? One reason: it would be a LIE.

No one is asking you to. At least, I am not.

So, don't believe me. I cannot care, truly.

Yet you still keep posting. Your actions say different than your words. Truly the Christian way.

So, yes, let's leave off this discussion. You do not "see" or "hear" what I am saying, any more than you hear Christ speak to you... and for the very same reason. You don't really want to. So be it.

Sure. Let's leave it off. At this point, you have said that everyone that seeks god can hear his spirit speaking to them. When some say they can't, you presume to know enough about them to explain why. You presume to put yourself on the same level as the prophets and apostles (that was with the whole "equating yourself with thomas" comment). You fill in the blanks about other peoples lives to explain why they aren't good enough to hear the voices when you don't know anything about that person. you call the most of the bible uninspired and then use to defend your visions of the same things without understanding that is equating your visions with what you just called uninspired works. Every case in the bible with Jesus or the voice of god or god himself appearing is a "speacial case" that you say I can't use for my argument. Well, if every case is special, then none are special! The person sitting next to Jesus when he had to take a dump along the side of the road must have been a special case too, then. You painted yourself into a corner, then painted your feet, then your entire body to avoid answering questions about which you said you knew the answers, at least, until your answer didn't make sense (unless, of course, you decide to ignore the bits you don't like, which is, in fact, a pretty christian thing to do).

Your humility in presuming to say god has revealed to you what he has revealed to no others and to tell people what is wrong with them is truly truly astoundingly awesomely the exact opposite of humility. And you are too blind to see it. So, yeah, I would totally agree that you are a perfect example of a Christian.

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Whose Voice Should We Listen To?

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, and all those who go with... may you have peace!.

i was recently directed to post some truths about the harlot, babylon the great, including who she is (i.e., those who profess to be in union with christ, but are not, and so commit fornication with the "kings of the earth" (e.g., persons such as popes, gb members, and other so-called "leaders" who believe they have been given charge over a "kingdom"... but have not... yet (revelation 17:12)... and when they are, it is soley for the purpose of destroying the harlot (revelation 17:13, 16-18)).. some have taken issue with this truth (who babylon the great is), and praise jah, our lord has given me more to share with you on that matter.

some of you may have already received this truth; however, for those who have not, i share the following, taken from chapters 8 and 9 of the proverbs:.

notverylikely

I'm curious (and sincere), dear NVL (again, peace to you!): out of all the things you COULD ask... why would THIS be what you'd want to know?

Why not? If, as you say, the bible is often the problem I would like to know which parts are true.

Now you HAVE heard. It is up to you, though, as to what you will DO about what you have heard.

I heard you. You have been inconsistent in your reasoning. You are not got or an angel. So what I have I heard besides what you think?

1. You are not all that different from other human beings, really, including myself. Although we have different personalities, born of our difference life experiences and environments, earthling man really doesn't differ that much... from man/woman to man/woman. This is something even the "demons" know... which is why they make earthling man their targets;

People aren't different except in the ways that they are? Chimps and humans are 98% the same DNA. So what? It's precisely the differences that create the uniqueness. That gives you no insight into me. God, demons, Jesus, maybe, but not you.

2. You... and most people... DON'T believe my Lord will actually show up/speak if you ask him to

So? Neither did Thomas. This gives YOU no insight into me.

3. My Lord knows what is "in" ALL men (or women)... and when one is in union with him, one kinda is able to "see" things like that (i.e., what is "in" another person).

This gives YOU no insight into me...

I understand WHY you're trying to argue your position, dear NVL: what I am sharing is FRIGHTENING.

Not frightening in the least.

This discussion started because you stated that you DID "listen" but DIDN'T "hear" anything, dea NVL... and asked why? I was permitted to explain why: because you didn't believe you WOULD hear anything)

Neither did Thomas. What's your point?

We have pretty much stated our respective positions and there really isn't anything more to say, really. Or is there? I mean, should you actually have had an "aha" moment

I guess not. You seem to change your reasons for why god doesn't or doesn't appear whenever you get an example that runs counter to what you just said, you quote the bible but when it runs counter to what you just said, well, that's part isn't really the bible....until you quote it again to prove the bible is true. I learned that Outlaw can't hold an adult conversation but will defend you as best as he is able. I learned that you will make an argument, then proceed to say how I would argue against it and shoot that down, which just shows a mighty presumptuousness on your part to think you know my mind.

Yeah, I learned a lot. I think are a nice person and all and probably very sincere, but I think, that like most christians, you like to make an argument and then when your own book or idea disproves you, you get like teflon and say we just didn't understand, change to another topic, say the words in the bible don't mean what they say they do or that god revealed something to you and only you and it's the rest of us that just don't get it. Pretty typical.

anyway, have a good night.

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Whose Voice Should We Listen To?

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, and all those who go with... may you have peace!.

i was recently directed to post some truths about the harlot, babylon the great, including who she is (i.e., those who profess to be in union with christ, but are not, and so commit fornication with the "kings of the earth" (e.g., persons such as popes, gb members, and other so-called "leaders" who believe they have been given charge over a "kingdom"... but have not... yet (revelation 17:12)... and when they are, it is soley for the purpose of destroying the harlot (revelation 17:13, 16-18)).. some have taken issue with this truth (who babylon the great is), and praise jah, our lord has given me more to share with you on that matter.

some of you may have already received this truth; however, for those who have not, i share the following, taken from chapters 8 and 9 of the proverbs:.

notverylikely

My apologies, dear NVL (peace to you)! You kinda "sounded" caustic but, then again, it is writing, so I may have mis"heard" you...

Not a problem at all.

Because, dear one... IT SHOULDN'T BE NECESSARY. It shouldn't HAVE to get to that point. I think I've answered that one no less than 3 times now.

It shouldn't be necessary to have a rule to not pee in the swimming pool, but it is. I don't see the point with that.

Of COURSE, He does! That is WHY He sent His Son... AND told us to listen to THAT ONE.

OK, fine.Same question. I would love to see him, to hear him, I WANT to, but since he won't talk back, I have to conclude that he isn't there. Jesus appeared before Thomas when Thomas doubting, why am I not worthy as well?

Moses was going to lead the nation of Israel out of Egypt, dear one. Before that, he was going to have go up against the KING of the land. Pretty much by himself. He needed Moses to pay attention.

You specifically avoided answering the question by talking about what moses was going to do. Up to that point all he had done was commit murder. This was an example of god's angel appearing to someone one in a physical manner without that person being tuned in. Moses, at that point, was a married sheep herding murderer.

"The writing on the wall." That usually happens when all other options have been exhausted.

There are no examples of other options being tried with Moses, Neb, Balaam, etc. Yet the physical manifestions occured. Please explain.

IF you have to use your flesh to hear/see God... then you're like Thomas.

And Jesus promptly appeared to Thomas. Please explain how he needed to "tune" in somehow? He was the doubter. He expected to NOT see/hear Jesus and he did. If your reasoning is true, that if you don't expect to see or hear god or Jesus then you won't, why did Thomas?

What did he mean? Thomas NEEDED a PHYSICAL manifestation in order to believe. He needed to SEE it... with his eyes. Why? Because... THOMAS LACKED FAITH. Indeed, he said that UNLESS he saw... he WOULD NOT believe. And my Lord accommodated him. BUT... my Lord did not pronounce Thomas "happy.' Rather, he pronounced those "happy" who believed... IN SPITE of not being able to see with their flesh. Those... with FAITH.

Wait, so you have said that in order to hear, I beed to beleive, but that Jesus appeared to Thomas (and others because they didn't beleive and needed the proof? You contradict yourself. You also tend to throw up an argument and then proceed to explain what you think I would respond with and shoot that down. Since my question really hasn't changed, please let ME respond since I can write my responses much better than you can write them. Otherwise, I could just write yours, such as:

Me: you just contradicted yourself.

You: No I didn't.

Me: yes you did,

You:Yes I did.

Me: see? you did it.

You: but I prayed for the wisdom to contradict myself.

Me: WTF?

See? Let's stick each writing our own responses.

The Bible is often the problem, dear one.

I agree. Then why do you keep quoting from it?

"Therefore, if YOU , although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to YOUR children, how much more so will the Father in heaven giveholy spirit to those asking him!” Luke 11:13

Well, I asked. I got nothing. Parents feed their children even when they say they aren't hungry or have a bad attitude. God is still a bad parent. And why did you quote the bible if it is often the problem?

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Whose Voice Should We Listen To?

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, and all those who go with... may you have peace!.

i was recently directed to post some truths about the harlot, babylon the great, including who she is (i.e., those who profess to be in union with christ, but are not, and so commit fornication with the "kings of the earth" (e.g., persons such as popes, gb members, and other so-called "leaders" who believe they have been given charge over a "kingdom"... but have not... yet (revelation 17:12)... and when they are, it is soley for the purpose of destroying the harlot (revelation 17:13, 16-18)).. some have taken issue with this truth (who babylon the great is), and praise jah, our lord has given me more to share with you on that matter.

some of you may have already received this truth; however, for those who have not, i share the following, taken from chapters 8 and 9 of the proverbs:.

notverylikely

There are 2 reasons,according to Shelby..

Why you have`nt seen Jesus..

#1..You don`t believe Jesus will show up,if you asked him to..

#2..You could`nt handle it if he did..

Those are not reasons. I could not beleive the sun will rise tomorrow but that won't stop it, just like god when he wants someone to hear him. Conversely, I could WANT it to rise but that won't be the reason it does. And since neither you nor Shelby know me in the slightest, you couldn't possibly have any insight into the second reason.

Actually..I spend most of my time here,laughing my ass off..LOL!!..

I`ll take Juice..No cookies..Got any Vodka for the Juice?..

People laughed at the idea that the titanic could sink, that the germans could take over the words or that tiny invisble bugs existed. Did you have a point?

NVL..You ask Shelby questions and are Deaf to the Answers..

That is just one example..

But I do see them when I look at the monitor. If it were god, the screen would be blank and I would have to squint hard and beleive that the words were there, I suppose.

Now, you can't drink with the adults until you grow up and can learn how to have an adult discussion and debate. No milk or cookies or juice for you. You can have your Boots the monkey doll for your nap, though.

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Whose Voice Should We Listen To?

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, and all those who go with... may you have peace!.

i was recently directed to post some truths about the harlot, babylon the great, including who she is (i.e., those who profess to be in union with christ, but are not, and so commit fornication with the "kings of the earth" (e.g., persons such as popes, gb members, and other so-called "leaders" who believe they have been given charge over a "kingdom"... but have not... yet (revelation 17:12)... and when they are, it is soley for the purpose of destroying the harlot (revelation 17:13, 16-18)).. some have taken issue with this truth (who babylon the great is), and praise jah, our lord has given me more to share with you on that matter.

some of you may have already received this truth; however, for those who have not, i share the following, taken from chapters 8 and 9 of the proverbs:.

notverylikely

Did you know people who don`t understand sarcastic humour.. Are prone to Dementia in later years..
Your probably already 1/2 nuts..LOL!!

Oh, I get it. And when I get old I might get dementia, but until then, you're just gonna have to act like an adult or get treated like a child. Sorry I have to make you mad when you get put in the corner, but what I can I say, someone has to be the adult. Now, do you want milk or juice with your cookies and cartoons after your nappy time?

Time in the corner?..
Theres a comment from a "Jolly Soul!"..LOL!!
Your pissed off and don`t have the courage to admit it..

Not really. It takes more than someone acting like a petulant child that needs a timeout on the internet to piss me off. Sorry :)

Do you know how Shelby aquired the ability to Talk to Jesus?..
It`s there in her post to you..If you don`t get it..Say so..
And..
I will explain it to you..

I read it and it's fine, I understand it. It in no way, however, answers the questions I have posted. Either you can't or won't. I am presuming, that since you're keep trying to be snarky and cut me down, you can't. Maybe after your nappy time and cartoons you'll find a funny picture to post. Won't that be nice dear?

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Whose Voice Should We Listen To?

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, and all those who go with... may you have peace!.

i was recently directed to post some truths about the harlot, babylon the great, including who she is (i.e., those who profess to be in union with christ, but are not, and so commit fornication with the "kings of the earth" (e.g., persons such as popes, gb members, and other so-called "leaders" who believe they have been given charge over a "kingdom"... but have not... yet (revelation 17:12)... and when they are, it is soley for the purpose of destroying the harlot (revelation 17:13, 16-18)).. some have taken issue with this truth (who babylon the great is), and praise jah, our lord has given me more to share with you on that matter.

some of you may have already received this truth; however, for those who have not, i share the following, taken from chapters 8 and 9 of the proverbs:.

notverylikely

LOL - I wasn't expecting that for an answer :-)

Actually, it was a really personal question. I probably had no right to ask how you would respond after meeting God.

No worries! It's all good, not too personal at all.

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Whose Voice Should We Listen To?

by AGuest in

to the household of god, israel, and all those who go with... may you have peace!.

i was recently directed to post some truths about the harlot, babylon the great, including who she is (i.e., those who profess to be in union with christ, but are not, and so commit fornication with the "kings of the earth" (e.g., persons such as popes, gb members, and other so-called "leaders" who believe they have been given charge over a "kingdom"... but have not... yet (revelation 17:12)... and when they are, it is soley for the purpose of destroying the harlot (revelation 17:13, 16-18)).. some have taken issue with this truth (who babylon the great is), and praise jah, our lord has given me more to share with you on that matter.

some of you may have already received this truth; however, for those who have not, i share the following, taken from chapters 8 and 9 of the proverbs:.

notverylikely

I meant, 'what would you do with the knowledge that God exists'.

Well, then I would try to find out from him how much of the batshit crazy stuff in the bible is true.