knowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.
these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.
no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.
"faith in what? you were the one that did all the work." - point proven! Hopefully you think and look for some answers which 'you' have to do the work, and which you won't find online, so your faith could be built where it should.
My faith is already right where it should be. God never did anything for man. God didn't provide penicillin, or teach man how to cultivate animals or crops, to make fire, to make cloth, shoes, to travel into space, to make food for the starving.... etc.
knowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.
these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.
no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.
No, not typical non-answer. Everyone who thinks they know it, is all to eager to be a 'teacher'
That's exactly a typical non-answer. However you think it isn't, it is. I have heard that exact same answer from everyone who claims to have "discovered" something or have special knowledge or get messages from God...When it's like all the others, that, by definition, is typical.
I guess you didn't read my response on Garden of Eden
Of course I did. And responded to it.
(Eating fruit from tree of knowledge of good and bad which then opened their eyes to what is good and bad is sin so then children inherited sin) OR (being told the knowledge by something or reading the knowledge from something which is 'symbolized' as tree of knowledge was a sin so then children inherited)
It's not an OR in the bible, it's a very literal thing, even to the apostles. You are picking and choosing and deciding what is symbolic when you really don't have any basis for deciding so. How is an invisible savior in the sky any less beleivable than a talking snake? There is simply no way you can make that judgement call.
On the literal understanding, even symbolically would not for sure invalidate it. There are 'other' symbolic possibilities which could.
If it's symbolic, then Paul and Jesus were wrong. Jesus was atoning for Adam, sin didn't enter through Adam, there was no Satan tempting the world. It 100% invalidates it.
I did a real sincere prayer, and made it very clear, it was intended for the creator of everything. (just incase deception even in our bible)
People often pray very sincerly. How would you know who was answering you?
I'm still much in a learning phase, and hesitant to say much or give current thoughts, because I don't even want to lead someone in a direction of thinking which may be incorrect.Just assist right now in how they can learn and not be enslaved again by a religion or teaching of man.
So why are you posting here? You want "study partners", but you have to know that if you find one that what you are learning and thinking will affect them.What you are wrong and they pick up one of your wrong ideas? If you are wrong and assist someone, your wrong ideas could endanger them.
knowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.
these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.
no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.
I just know we don't have the same understanding at the moment.
I can tell. You have much to learn, but I am patient. You will catch up.
If I 'could' or 'did' answer every question you had, and you believed it, you'd have faith or trust in me, and that would be bad.
Let's just start with one answer, then, shall we?
Also......when you get answers and understanding without someone showing you, and unable to find online or anywhere, it does give you faith.
I can teach you better google skills. And faith in what? you were the one that did all the work.
knowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.
these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.
no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.
When I first started, it was very scary, nobody to turn to for the answers, but also if you look about the prophecys of the last days, they ALL say how God's people have been lead astray by the shepards.
Prophecy needs to be something specific to have meaning, not vague maybe's...
knowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.
these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.
no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.
first I'll say, if your really seeking answers, may want to put your faith in God to show you and look in the bible.
Typical non-answer.
garden of Eden being symbolic would not invalidate the teaching of sin and ransom sacrifice.
Absolutely it would. The bible clearly says THAT is the reason.
If you believe in the bible, then as the scriptures say it's impossible for any to get an accurate understanding unless God opens their mind to it. Hiding the sacred secret. If you don't believe, and need some help to even consider that and looking more
So much going wrong there.....So you have to beleive to get the knowledge to understand, first you just have to blindly beleive to the the secret?
knowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.
these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.
no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.
can you learn how to division before learning addiction and subtraction? Learning math had to be done in an order.
Division can be done without learning addition.
Now to try to explain why, why LITERALLY there are things that I believe that you can't understand, would be quite hard.
Why do you presume I can't understand it? Because I am questioning it?
knowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.
these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.
no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.
I had 'suspicion' that the garden of Eden could be symbolic
Then where did the sin come from that we need Jesus to atone for?
So, without me saying whether Eden is symbolic or literal in Genesis, there are other scriptures which can clue you in.
But Paul treated it as literal....he said sin entered through Adam, that the serpent misled Eve....
The only other reference to that, is the non canon book, Book of Enoch.
But the book of Enoch WAS canon in some versions of the bible. Jude quoted from it. Why IS it non-canon? Why are you using the Catholic version of the bible to start with?
knowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.
these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.
no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.
So, if some person on the street randomly asked you to read a book he wrote where he talks about a man on earth being caught up into heaven, would you take him seriously?
I'm roundabout agreeing with you, Jeff. Once you start saying "this part is literal, this part is not" then the question becomes how do you know which parts?
recently i have looked at youtube on interesting topics.
i wrote also to all 129 bethel-homes around the world and suggested them to search on youtube on illuminati, freemasons, 666, new world order, fema coffins, fema concentration camps, rfid chip, rockefeller, antichrist.. very interesting stuff!
i suggest you also to search on "the third temple" could soon to be built in jerusalem.
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For someone that supposedly has figured out a lot, you use a shitload of weasel words to give yourself an out and are pretty damn vague about everything.
whether you believe in the bible or not, these are not completely separate books with nothing related.. this is the tip of the iceberg, but i wanted to demonstrate why i believe there is a deep hidden message in the bible, and that its books are linked.. does the bible itself reveal who the king of the north is?
(the whole world is trying to 'guess' and 'interpret' and treat all prophecies as individual).
(warning: this could set off a chain reaction and your searching the entire bible linking and getting better understanding of many prophecies ;) ).
They are in the 'context' of the scriptures I posted. I just posted and quoted the 'common scripture/key' to each of them in that part.
So the context is "maybe", "could be", "it's possible"...?
You're only a few steps away from "evidently".
