dear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
Given that it's an organization that primarily requires it members to think what they tell them to think,
For someone that hates that being told what is right, you sure do like to tell others which scripture they can't use while using it yourself.
Pray, tell us shelby, what scripture is acceptable for use? You have been asked many times. Can't Jesus tell you?
dear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
Fuck yeah! Christian cat fight!
In any event....
My dear shelby, peace to you. I do not accuse you of anything. You have yet to give me what I have asked for once. You say a lot but answer little. I asked for a falsifible hypotheses and you write a LOT, but you don't know what falsifiable means or how to write a testable hypothesis. Despite those shortcomings, you insist you did. You try to argue about science and it's clear you have NO idea what you are talking about and just parrot the first paragraph off of wikipedia (BTW, I did notice that you exlucded the word "refutable" from your wikipedia cut and paste on falsifiability).
As to your accusation of lying, I revealed to my wife about 3 weeks DF'ed. I am not sure what you think I was lying about, but if your lord gave you any details, you only felt like mentioning it (and got some of the details wrong) 2 days ago. What do you think I was lying about, my dear? The other woman? I denied she existed, said it was over, told falsehoods about her. Because I now reveal it publicly does not change the truth. The fact that you wrote me messages saying your lord told you all kinds of things about me that turned out be wrong makes ME deceitful? Interesting.
I am not making this about your lack of understanding science, but you keep insisting that you can debate on that level. You also keep insisting on quoting the bible and then denying others the right to do the same. You claim I don't understand faith, but all you have to offer are voices only you can hear that people like elaine would say are wrong and which, conveniently, change the message whenever you are backed into a corner.
The only BS you smell is coming from you, my love. Trying to get you to solidly state ANY position, other than you talk to Jesus, is like trying to nail jello to a wall. You change, the message changes, you decide which bible verses are OK to use and tell others they can't use them when you don't like it.The bullshit coming from your faith is so deep it's up to your eyeballs.
I like you, but I will call you out on every thread you post in that I see, every thread you start that I see. I'm sorry if that's a problem for you, but spreading igornance, self righteousness, misinterpretation of plain scripture, hubris and fake communion with god ... let's put it this way, if I wanted all of that, I could stay in the WT.
Peace and love.
mainly, how awesome i am.
i have noticed several threads that are not about how awesome i am and, frankly, it's a little disturbing.
i might also be drunk.
I have a pic of me covered in cow shit after I wrestled a large calf down in a field.
terry and i were able to get togather today for a pleasent visit.
we disscussed a number of things.
one thing we talked about was "near misses" we experienced over the years.
Timing saved you. It also killed a lot of other people. End of Story.
dear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
I know, beks. It's like a drug. I can't quit
dear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
Same thing we're all initially afraid of, dear NVL (peace to you!): being misled, again; being lied to; being though crazy and/or unstable; possible commitments related to what we might here, if anything; and death.
Nope. Sorry. Just because you are doesn't mean I am.
Then your "nope" was inaccurate and misleading, wasn't it... and designed TO mislead. Why do that?
Huh? I used the word and then you misused it and I asked if you knew what it meant. I never said anything to mislead you.
Ah, now, why not just say that?
I did.
Because you wanted those watching to think that, no, I didn't know at all. And that you do. That's a bit deceitful, dear NVL.
Look, don't blame me because you acted as if you knew what it meant and argued as if you did and then, when you didn't and were questioned on it looked it up and still got it wrong. If you don't know something, just say so. There is no shame in that.
Meaning that if it's false, such falsehood can be proven... which is what I stated...
Again, no, even thing that are proven to be true MUST be falsifiable. You still don't understand what it means! How can you call me deceitful when you still don't know what it means?
Again, I do not read or understand it that way. My understanding is that something that proves true IS true (at least, as far as we understand truth)... but in order to test it, we must also be able to test it's falsifiability if it is NOT true.
No, whether it is true or not it MUST be falsifiable to be a valid hypothesis.
I jumped to several places... including wikipedia... after you said my understanding was wrong. Which you now say it was not. But since I am wrong even when I am not wrong
No, you are wrong. Just like a math test, if the answer is "42", writing a "4" isn't right just because you meant to write the "2". It's wrong not matter how you turn it. And your understanding is wrong.
how 'bout YOU do the jumping this time? I gave you what you asked for and... again... you're stalling.
You most certainly did NOT give me a fasifiable hypothesis.
Why don't YOU tell me what one is... and how to write it, since YOU "know so much."
Thanks for recogizing that I have worked very hard to learn. Read the entire post, I gave you some tips at the end.
But, ahhhh, yes... you once again left out some stuff... which, again, is a bit deceitful, isn't it?
You keep accusing me of that. Again, if you feel that I left out some salient points that altered the meaning, please let me know. You tend to write the same thing over and over and over so I do leave out many redundancies.
You misunderstood then, twice, and apparently you still do. Although I explained... twice. Bearing false witness against... means lying on someone. You would have done so against yourself by doing it against your wife. As I explained:
I was lying on someone, the woman I was with and myself. That's two someones.
You haven't seemed to overcome that habit, yet.
Oh, I entirely grasp them, all of your words, they just have very little accuracy or internal consistency. You know, that 100% error rate on what god tells you about me.
And yes, I do know that it's Christ with the name you said he gave you that he apparently gave no one else, it's just shorter to type god.
You "went public" on 8/1/2010, shortly after revealing your truths to your wife. I shared what I did with you some time before that (I will post the exact date should I ever come across it in a thread again).
I would love to see that since I don't have a PM where you sent it to me. You said you didn't want to make it public even thought god shared it with you so it must have been a PM OR you must be mistaken and did go public with it.
No, from Christ, dear one... and it's curious to me that you can't seem to get that accurate, yet, either...
Again, it's just shorter to type "god" that the name that your lord gave you and no one else.
You MUST show me where I got it wrong... even once. You MUST.
Sure. You said I was afraid, I'm not. On the "Dearest NVL" thread, you said that since we shared the same Abrahamic blood and it had told you about me and specifically that I was angry at god, you said I had asked god in sincerity for answer and that god had shared that with you about me, that i did believe in him and to answer me further via PM. You said I had been asking for god on May 1, right before I fell asleep but afraid to fall asleep and that I was talking to god. You said that he told you I heard is answers and just didn't accept what I heard. Then in that same thread you realized I wasn't being "sincere" and didn't at all beleive in god at all and quit talking to me.
You STILL haven't addressed our previous discussion, regarding the void. Although I did mention it. That IS one of the things you keep avoiding. May I ask why?
If I missed it or forgot I sincerly apologize. Remind me? I think it's clear I forgot.
the assurance of the thing hoped for being the proof of things we do not see, while conviction of their reality is perceived as real fact although not revealed to the empirical senses.
Ah, well, now that creates another problem. We have to define the things hoped for. Some hope for heaven, some hope for life on earth, some hope for neither of those but simply to sleep. Define the thing hoped for. Even among those that hope for heaven, some hope to rule as kings, some hope the be angels, some hope for other things in heaven. Your definition was a singular thing so I need to know what it is. In other words, what is the thing I should be hoping for that I will have faith in? Right now I am hoping I don't run out of whisky.
And it IS cute how you accuse me of stalling because you can't write a testable hypothesis. Absolutely adorable :)
Wherever. For some, outside of one. For many, inside. There is no limitation or concrete rule.
Ah, well, we need to know where to look, otherwise we could be looking in the wrong place. Ask Jesus and get back to me.
Well, the best measurement would probably be the amount of "energy" produced by a mustard seed, which is about 1,947 kJ (469 kcal). Compare that to the amount of faith... and effort... YOU put forth.
Mustard seeds don't produce energy, they contain stored energy. You need to clarify your answer. How do we measure faith? Is it also measured in joules or calories?
Here you go. Get thee to it.
Will do. I also need some method of verification of identity (after all, Satan can transform himself into an angel of light), some independent verification. Also, you said I need to ask Christ for the faith, but I need to faith to talk to christ. Your steps involve a circular loop, so I will need the steps on how to get the faith before Christ so I can talk to him, since I clearly can't talk to him to get the faith I need to talk to him.
That you deny it now let's us know which side YOU fall on... still.
huh? I am not denying at all. I said that you never mentioned you knew any of this until after I said it in public. Very WT like, saying that you knew everying after it becomes public, you just didn't mention it before.
Because I think I've shared about all I have on the matter. Anything else is just going back to another circle, really.
Yes, you are very good at circular logic.
dear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
Understood. Disagreed, but understood.
Well, since you know so much, what, my dear, do you think I am afraid of? What do you think reality tells you?
Meaning, it's truth... or falsity... can be tested. Demonstrated. Proven. Sounds to me like that's what I stated.
It what you stated. But what you stated is incomplete. In order to even formulate a valid hypothesis it must be falsifiable. Things that are falsifiable and tested can be proven true. Something that proves true MUST be falsifiable.
What, because you don't believe it's "observable"?
No, because what you wrote is not a hypothesis. Just like you did with falsifiability, jump over to wikipedia and get some links and learn how what one is and how to write it.
Complete instructions set forth so that you can repeat and confirm (however, don't forget the vital information contained in the post script).
Ah, no. Those were not complete instructions. Try again. There was no "step 1, step 2", etc., etc.
Shall we most the contents of those PMs? I mean, I have absolutely NO problem sharing here what I shared with you there...
Sure. You wrote:
My Lord has not told me what color shirt you are wearing; however, he has directed me to tell you NOW what he revealed to me about you when I stated so earlier. Then, he said that you were "not a man 'living' in truth but in deceit," and more specifically that you were "hiding what [you] truly were [doing] from your own flesh (your wife... and children)... and thus, you were acting against your own flesh (you).
So, I was totally caught off guard when you stated on the board that you had finally revealed what you were up to to your wife (and planned to do so for your children). Thus, when others started telling you to lie (on your wife and to the WT elders and your kids), I knew I had to speak up because you would have gone from bad... to worse. You would not only have committed adultery, but have borne false witness against your own flesh (yourself) and bone (your wife). Because at the time, you were still "one." Even if she is a WTBTS stepford wife, your bearing false witness against her would have added injury to the insult and made YOUR error twice as bad.
But my Lord directed me to share it this night because apparently you want to know what I "know."
See, by the time you wrote this, I had already made my issues public, so that doesn't show any insight. You said I would have borne false witness against myself, but I guess God didn't see fit to tell you I had been doing that for years. Apparently he also wasn't able to decided not to bother with a simple question, what shirt I was wearing. So, you only had things revealed to you that I had already made public and even at that, you got it wrong.
Really? So your asking for additional information (i.e., date and time) was for the purpose of? C'mon, NVL... stop this. You're posturing and that's not fair to these good people...
Posturing? You're the one claiming you get insight from god and have many times revealed what you received about me. It's not MY fault you get it wrong every time. I do not understand how it's not fair. No one HAS to read this and for those that do, I think it's important to know how accurate the revealed information you get is.
And all you say you have, thus far, is old stories. But I gave you the means for testing. And now... you're stalling.
Well, for you to give me a testable hypothesis you will need to define "faith", tell where to get it, where the voice is heard, what it sounds like so we know for sure is your God, provide some falsifiability, provide some means of independent verification of the voice, define how intangible faith measurements correlate to the size of a mustard seed either by size or by volume, does the relative density of the faith need to be the same and provide some means of testing the expected result of knowing something currently unknown or unprovable.
That would be a good start. It's not stalling, my dear, when you do not provide what you are asked for. Write that up, send it over and I get to testing.
To the unintelligent dogs, perhaps. Which not all of them are. Some hear the tones and know EAXCTLY what they mean... and who they're coming from.
Since everything you said you heard about me has been 100% wrong or something already known and thus not "unknowable" (using your criteria), I guess we know which side you fall on.
dear ones.
rather, it is our adversary who says we will do anything... anything... to avoid it.
a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. even curse god to his face.
I assume you mean you're not in fear... but I don't believe that that is accurate.
That's what I believe. I am not sure it's what YOU and some others here believe...
What you belive about my fears is irrelevant in this case. Reality and I tell you otherwise. I cannot speak for others, but now you CAN be certain since I am telling you now I am not living in fear.
Sigh. It means that IF a thing/theory is false, that falsehood can be proven.
Nope.
Hypothesis: Through faith, one CAN hear the voice of the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, through hearing the voice of His Son and Christ, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, while still in the body...
Oh, sorry. That's not a valid hypothesis. That's more of a premise for demonstration. If you would like to demonstrate this for us, give instructions so that we can repeat and confirm it, please do so.
Although via PM you did decline my demonstration since the lord didn't think is worth his time to prove himself by telling what color shirt I was wearing. And every time you have claimed that the Lord has revealed something to you about it, it has been wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME. A 100% failure rate might make want to re-think the demonstrations.
Exactly. But until now that's all you had.
Nope again. Science helps to have more than old stories for explanations.
Yes! But that THEY don't agree on WHAT the noise IS... or MEANS... or who it came from... doesn't mean there was no noise, dear one.
Exactly! If in fact god is really talking, he is the equivalent of a unintelligble dog whistle
i wish this weren't the way i greeted the board.
i've been lurking here for about 2 years now, but was unable to really interact because of limitations of my ipod browser (you can't post from there) and the parental controls on my computer.. .
well 2 years later, i'm a big boy, turned 18 and moved out.
A month? Give it a year. You're 18, a month is no time at all.
mainly, how awesome i am.
i have noticed several threads that are not about how awesome i am and, frankly, it's a little disturbing.
i might also be drunk.
John Doe, is that you?
Gross!
