Posts by justmom

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Do you miss the sense of security the organisation gives you?

by Mr Facts in

i am sure most of you miss the sense of security regarding the future that the organisation offers- the certainty of everlasting life in the paradise earth, being healed and the confidence that you will definitely see your loved ones again if you remained faithful.

but why did you pursue a course of life that had suddenly turned everything into a fable?.

i have pity for you all.. .

justmom

Well....

Given all that goes on inside that is actually crazy............

People still do miss the organization. But what is it that they actually miss?

Since sheep like to be led and easily "misled", walking by FAITH and not by sight is not as easy as one thinks.

When one leaves you leave "structure" a building to worship god in (which I thought he doesn't dwell in handmade temples anymore anyways)

The organization leads you, and tells you what to wear, what to read, what to watch, who to marry, how to have sex, who to associate with, how many hours of preaching you really need, how many placements you need to be a true example to the cong. and so on and so on.......

You are a slave to THEM.... and they will continually beat you down, molest you, abuse you, judge you and so on.........

and when you finally do leave ( or get disfellowshipped) and carry its baggage with you, you never let go!!!!

So you will eventually MISS IT!!!!

It reminds me so clearly of the Israelites who left up out of Egypt and only three days into the wilderness began to murmer and complain and said they were brought out here to let die. They longed for what they had back in Egypt! Security, Food, shelter, clothing and a unending list of chores to do probably 18 hours a day in the hot sun.

So...if this is the security of the organization that you miss, then you may need to self examine truly why you left. If it was for the wrong reason and motive you will go back. Or carry the baggage of anger and resentment with you out in this world and portray it onto others. Therefore not allowing for LOVE, MERCY, FOREGIVENESS. Remember it was our choice to be JWS.

So go inside "your temple" and ask for guidance and the yoke of the one that is kind and merciful. Take 'his' yoke and follow 'his' lead.

I promise you will never regret it

justathoughtof love

justmom

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Do you miss the sense of security the organisation gives you?

by Mr Facts in

i am sure most of you miss the sense of security regarding the future that the organisation offers- the certainty of everlasting life in the paradise earth, being healed and the confidence that you will definitely see your loved ones again if you remained faithful.

but why did you pursue a course of life that had suddenly turned everything into a fable?.

i have pity for you all.. .

justmom

Well....

Given all that goes on inside that is actually crazy............

People still do miss the organization. But what is it that they actually miss?

Since sheep like to be led and easily "misled", walking by FAITH and not by sight is not as easy as one thinks.

When one leaves you leave "structure" a building to worship god in (which I thought he doesn't dwell in handmade temples anymore anyways)

The organization leads you, and tells you what to wear, what to read, what to watch, who to marry, how to have sex, who to associate with, how many hours of preaching you really need, how many placements you need to be a true example to the cong. and so on and so on.......

You are a slave to THEM.... and they will continually beat you down, molest you, abuse you, judge you and so on.........

and when you finally do leave ( or get disfellowshipped) and carry its baggage with you, you never let go!!!!

So you will eventually MISS IT!!!!

It reminds me so clearly of the Israelites who left up out of Egypt and only three days into the wilderness began to murmer and complain and said they were brought out here to let die. They longed for what they had back in Egypt! Security, Food, shelter, clothing and a unending list of chores to do probably 18 hours a day in the hot sun.

So...if this is the security of the organization that you miss, then you may need to self examine truly why you left. If it was for the wrong reason and motive you will go back. Or carry the baggage of anger and resentment with you out in this world and portray it onto others. Therefore not allowing for LOVE, MERCY, FOREGIVENESS. Remember it was our choice to be JWS.

So go inside "your temple" and ask for guidance and the yoke of the one that is kind and merciful. Take 'his' yoke and follow 'his' lead.

I promise you will never regret it

justathoughtof love

justmom

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So ... what happens when we die?

by sacolton in

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friends

what do you personally believe happens after we die?

i don't believe we really know everything about god or the afterlife.

i do believe that we do transform to something beyond our physical comprehension.

justmom

Hello again renderme

I am soo sorry about the loss of your son. I can't even imagine as I have three sons of my own.

The Resurrection in Rev 20 11-15 is to the flesh. When it is determined whether they have life (have Christ as their covering) it is then that they inherit the kingdom/ paradise. It is a literal spirtual place. It is NOT physical though. Revelation 21:1-5 talks about it being NEW! Cleansed (by fire) and New jeruselum comes down out of heaven . It is then that Jah can dwell with mankind. They are all spiritual beings. (Jah Christ and Bride) Remember the sheep are told to inherit the kingdom prepared for them from the founding of the world. Where are they to inherit?

Where paradise is!!!(and I know what the WT teaches)

but if you have a large print NW translation read 2Corinthians 12:1-5 and read the footnote to the verses at the bottom. It says paradise/garden of eden. And Paul was talking about a man that was caught away to the third heaven which is paradise/and where the garden of eden resides. So it is litera (real)l but spiritual. Rev22 talks about the tree of life (same one in the garden) and it is in heaven. Rev 19:1 says where the great crowd are......

i understand the wt told us that during the 1,000 yrs resurrected ones can learn and choose who to worship. That is also a lie! I'm sorry to say and there is no biblical support of that.

Hebrews 9:27 says "Men die once for all times, but after this a judgement." which supports Rev 20 as to the dead coming back only once. At the end.

Romans 6:23 tells us that the wages for sin is death. Since we ALL are born in sin that is what we ONLY deserve when we die thanks to adam. But gods gift is everlasting life thanks to His son who bought us out of bondage to sin and death. We cannot redeeem ourselves. We are not owned anything else. It is "undeserved kindness" that he offers us life even again.

But PLEASE understand the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.....Jah of armies is so much more merciful and compassionate than the Jehovah that the WT worships. He shows mercy to whom HE WANTS. And wants ALL to LIVE. When he sees us as his children in pain especially with the loss of a child, he knows how it feels. Trust in His love and mercy to grant life to your son. Continue to pray for our families and children whether they are alive or resting ......awaiting to be resurrected.

may you find comfort

we are here for you

justmom

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So ... what happens when we die?

by sacolton in

jw
friends

what do you personally believe happens after we die?

i don't believe we really know everything about god or the afterlife.

i do believe that we do transform to something beyond our physical comprehension.

justmom

Hello Renderme

Children do receive a resurrection also, but yes, they too must wait until after the 1,000 years. We were taught that the resurrection of our loved ones take place during the 1,000 years but there is NO Bible support to this. They even use Revelation 20:5 and the parathesis are theirs. Revelation 20:4 describes the "first" resurrection. And then actually says word for word "5. "The rest of the dead do not come to life UNTIL the thousand years were ended."

I know how the WT interpreted this. But it is a lie!! 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-17 explains the first resurrection.

"Those that belong to Him that are alive when he returns DO NOT precede (go before) those that have already died that belong to the Christ. Those who are dead in "UNION" with Christ wil rise first. Afterwards, we the living who are surviving will, NOTICE "TOGETHER" with THEM (those who have died in union) will be caught away in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air;

That is when the marriage/feast takes place. Matthew 25

Then starts the 1,000 year reign of kings and priests. Separation of sheep and goats Matthew 25:31-46

Sheep and goats are alive when the master returns but do not take part in the first/better resurrection. They are judged as to whether or not they did good to Christs brothers. Then sheep enter the kingdom.

At the end of this reign is when the general resurrection takes place Rev20:5 & Rev 20:12-15 Notice "the sea and death and hades gave up those dead in THEM and they were judged individually according to their deeds.

I too was raised my whole life inside the WT. I know what they taught, but now Holy Spirit has truly shown me what worshiping in spirit and truth really is! It is truly a kind yoke you would WANT to take and a loving voice you would want to follow.

Love to you

justmom

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So ... what happens when we die?

by sacolton in

jw
friends

what do you personally believe happens after we die?

i don't believe we really know everything about god or the afterlife.

i do believe that we do transform to something beyond our physical comprehension.

justmom

Hello

It is a pretty easy question unless you are completely anti-God and Jesus.

When you die (your breath goes out /the breath that susutained physical)and your flesh goes back to the dust of the ground, your thoughts perish and your spirit goes to the world of the dead (sheol/hades) awaiting a resurrection to determine if you have life in the kingdom. That is determined by whether your name is written in the Lambs scroll of life. (doing good to the least of Christs brothers) If not then you are thrown to the lake of fire (spiritual) where your opportunity to live is gone forever (complete everlasting darkness) The only torment (not physical) but literal is that!!!

This fulfillment takes place after the 1,000 milleneum

Now, however, if one does die that has this annointing(received holy spirit) His flesh goes back to the ground also. But HIS spirit IS alive and instead of going to the world of the dead, they are transferred under the alter of Jah! (the favored bosom positionof abraham/ like the rich man and lazarus) There to await the return of our Lord and master to be resurrected and given a spritual eternal body. That is the better/first resurrection and partake in being kings and priests.

This fulfillment happens when our master returns. Those that are ALIVE when he returns they tranfer (twinkle) so as not to see death at all. (in flesh)

So....what people will have the biggest issue with is that ALL of folks loved ones that have died are NOT in heaven. The resurrection has NOT taken place yet!!!!

Hope this helps a little

justmom

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Just wanted to say...

by tec in

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friends

... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.

it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.

but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.

justmom

Hello Michelle (and I apologize because your thoughts were addressed to Tammy)

....You are absolutely right in that true healing of the spirit and body comes from our lord and savior! He is the great physician.

We are blessed to have that to share in common.

Although not everyone here has that, they may have something that may fulfill their spiritual need. Whether or not we agree with it, (and i think that is what Tec is saying) we CAN agree to disagree at times, shake hands and walk away, and although there may be completely different beliefs, we are told from our Lord to love them anyways! Aren't we.

Don't you think that calling this place, "a place pf abomination" seems to be a harsh judgement call, that if need be, belongs to the discernment of the one that "DIED" for these individuals.

And since I know I can't read individuals hearts, (and people can change), if you do have light and love to share, how do you know among the vasteness of people here, who MAY be the ONE to receive it?? And if there is EVEN only ONE, wasn't it all worth it??

And it is a site that you seem to be visiting possibly regularly. So what is actually your motive in supporting a place of adomination?

To share your savior? (put it out there and see what Jah does with it) or Judge? .............Jus saying (sorry)

justathought

Love justmom

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Should we still be angry with the Watchtower? Should we "forgive" the WT?

by Iamallcool in

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justmom

Hey Guys....

All comments taken into consideration, does it REALLY matter who they are and what they've done???? We know as a corporation how evil and wicked they are. But the fact is, the ability to be able to forgive is for US not THEM!

Our Lord reminds us as do other faithful ones "If we want to be foregiven, we MUST forgive." How sad it would be to loose out on favor with Jah because we let the organization consume us with anger. They are so not worth it!!!

Maybe that is why he had Daniel pray for Israel in Daniel chapter 9. It might be something worth considering. Beings how sooo many of us still have our loved ones trapped inside.

justathought

justmom

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Just venting - I hate the Society.

by donny in

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justmom

I am soooo sorry for your pain dear Donny.

It is always the hardest with children. I hope you have a healthy relationship with your daughters so they see how much their dad loves them without them WT.

So sad story in this senario it's like the bumbersticker "LOOK BUSY! JESUS IS COMING!" Your poor son loves you and has been relatively friendly in the past until now. What changed? The famous scaretactic the end is ever so near....AGAIN!!!!!

And he doesn't even see as a elder that making a stand against you NOW because of some pressure and the fear of the end is altogether the wrong motive in doing it. Doesn't he see that Jehovah saw all along he was semi-ok with a disfellowshipped dad and THEN when he saw the time may be really short, it was time he broke off any ties with you? The MOTIVE is not pure. It's "Lets look good at the last minute. Maybe jehovah won't know I haven't been all along."

Donny, my prayer is with you and your hurt and also for your family. Always love no matter what. Never let them change who you are apart from that organization. It will become manifest at some point.

With love to you

justmom (Kim)

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Should we still be angry with the Watchtower? Should we "forgive" the WT?

by Iamallcool in

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friends

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justmom

Well......

It is completely up to you personaly.

I went through in the beginning much anger and felt I lost sooo many years.

Then after time and process realized the reasons WHY I was there and then COMPLETELY grateful that I had now been freed from these lies!

How could I be too angry. Although I was raised in it as achild, at some point I grew up and made the so-called truth my own. No one to blame for that. I lived it pretty close to the tee. Gulped down that kool-aid big time. Then holy spirit opened my eyes truly to who they were and my prayers were answered from that day forward. Our lord said to follow His voice and let Him lead me out. That I would never be misled again.

How many times did our Lord say to forgive even our enemies. To show mercy, love and compassion despite what others do. We can rise above them and NOT treat them or anyone personaly the way THEY do. We do not have to allow them to change who we are if we say we are a christian apart from them.

The WBTS is truly a wicked corporation full of false lies hiding behind the god they call Jehovah!

But despite that....our people, families, and potential brothers and we never know when some one of them will wake up also as we have exisits inside there.

We should want to pray for them to "wake up" and see with spiritual eyes and ears so that they too can be released from this bondage.

We are here and I hope it is for many and not a few because our Lord and master has ANSWERED our prayers and showed mercy and forgiveness on US.

Going through that organization brought us to where we are today. There are many challenges different ones experience. But being on the outside and hopefully freed from them is better than anything they have to offer inside. If you have experienced family loss because of it, please know I personally prayer for them because I too have lost family on both sides.

Anger is a very dangerous and unhealthy quality to hold on to for any reason. It just destroys ones health and they are not worth having that kind of control still on us out here.

justathought of love

justmom.

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This made me awfully sad

by corpusdei in

just came across this post, where a disfellowshipped blogger posted the letter from his witness mother in which she cuts off the relationship between them.

although i was the one to slam the door and cut off communication with my viper of a mother, my heart goes out to this guy - it's to their shame that the witnesses allow their religion to do this to family..

justmom

Hello

To add a verse from Bible to support aguest comment, many will use the organization as an excuse and they fulfill Romans1:31 and 2Timothy 3;3, "Having no natural affection, having a form of godly devotion yet proving false to its power." And it states in verse 32, "They practice these things knowing full well the righteous decree of God. They not only keep on doing these things but consent with those practicing them."

If they are truly clothed with Jahs love, there is NOTHING ever that will stop you. IT IS UNCONDITIONAL!

with love

justmom