mad sweeney said:.
honestly wonder if they really care that people leave.. which got me to thinking.
it's true it seems that the brass at bethel.
The Gb are really amateurs at it.
Agreed, they are good at getting free labour but poor at maximising contributions, although I know locally there was always an effort made for the elderly sisters who had no living relatives - those legacies boosted the KH building funds no end!
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mad sweeney said:.
honestly wonder if they really care that people leave.. which got me to thinking.
it's true it seems that the brass at bethel.
Bethel isn't very concerned with the thousands that leave as long as they have a percentage or two of total increase
This has just triggered a theory so bear with me. In business this is known as churn - staff who leave (can also apply to customers) that are replaced by new ones.
When I worked at a specialist company a while ago a new manager came in. He wanted to secure his role in the long term by getting rid of any staff who might want his role. He caused staff churn despite this being expensive for the company (recruitment and training costs).
He made life so hard for all the people working for him they left when redundancy was offered. He then got new, willing recruits in who had less knowledge of the company and would accept him as an expert and not challenge him.
If the Borg has increasing churn which I suspect it has, then there are fewer experienced ones who can/will challenge the boys at the top. Anyone who has been recently recruited won't feel hard done by about changes in thought like the Generation. Anyone who does challenge them is removed, anyone who challenges elders on a local level is removed. It's all about keeping those with power in power.
Oh and as long as the money keeps rolling in...
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i doubt very seriously that i am the first to make the connection of exiting jw's and much of the movie "shawshank redemption".. frequently, the injustice that many experience as baptized members of jehovah's witnesses cause them to want to resign, to leave.. but it is a prison of sorts.
if you leave and announce it, you are shunned.
and no one will talk to you.. shawshank is such a remarkable movie to me for its simple, underlying theme; finding meaning in our suffering, and never stopping the fight against injustice, esp against our own freedom.. the best part of the movie is the line "you can either get busy living, or get busy dying.".
Even inside there were those rare good moments... like when Andy got his crew three suds each...
Red [Narrating]: We sat and drank with the sun on our shoulders, and felt like free men. We could'a been tarring the roof of one of our own houses. We were the Lords of all Creation.
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i am new to this board after lurking for awhile (thanks so much for creating this place simon, and for everyone's shared thoughts!).
i am going crazy because i have recently allowed myself to begin thinking (and it is so fun!
) and i am an outspoken person, and it is very hard for me to keep my opinions and discoveries about this place under my hat!
Welcome nextdoorgirl,
I kept my mouth shut which was frustrating at times. I faded slowly over time and left. I never said anything to my family who are old and I can now see them when I want - no issues - we just don't talk about the truth. I planned it carefully, bit my tongue on occassions but I wouldn't change what I did and very glad of the choices I made. I'm not frustated anymore - it's just great to be free - putting your thoughts onto the forum can help.
I don't know what it's like to be shunned, but know that the truth was destructive enough in my life without being shunned so in terms of self preservation I just didn't want to lose contact with my family.
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frank and barbara kavelin's recent disfellowshipping for 'apostasy' two years after they stopped going to meetings made me ponder why exactly the wts frequently pursues people long after they have disappeared off the jw scene.
at first glance it seems a counterproductive strategy to make enemies out of people who would otherwise leave quietly.
i've had the pleasure of getting to know frank and barb over the last year or so and i know for a fact that frank's story would not be on jwn and freeminds if he hadn't been disfellowshipped.
Bully mentality that wants to punish for reasons already mentioned and to strike fear in those left behind.
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a husband and wife have a mutual close friend.
the husband is working all day and this close friend comes to stay for the week.. .
she should talk to her husband.
i love chicken pie.
the calories are terrible for a pie crusted chicken pie dinner but i love it.. and i love milk chocolate covered candy such as raisinettes or raspberry chocolate candies..
Nutella (chocolate spread) - 400g jar with a spoon in one go.
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where there little things that you did just to express yourself and feel like you weren't just some robot clog in a machine?
i was thinking of stuff i did over the years: .
read whatever books i wanted, even apostate ones over the years.
Went to a different convention by the sea, spent the weekend on the beach or shopping and turned up in a suit during the final session to pick up the new publications and a programme. Got quizzed by family when I returned but had all the evidence I needed.
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they faded, and that was it..... they were illusory, whereas i am real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txvacta6dba.
I've spent thirty years learning the art of self-deprecation so any term that suggests I've become enlightened to this and no longer agree with it is fine by me. I understand though anyone on this forum who dislikes being categorised in any way.
We could try and agree a more appropriate way of describing or categorising ourselves but I think if we're truly honest we will fit into the following:
Active - Jehovah's Witness (happy)
Inactive - lacking in faith (unhappy)
Disfellowshipped - unrepentant sinner with no moral code (deeply unhappy but often blind to it)
Disassociated - headstrong with no moral code (deeply unhappy)
Everyone else - no moral code and without purpose (unhappy)
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if the watchtower now does not require jws to fill out time reports and monitor field service activity, do you think jws will be happy with that new adjustment?
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I'm kind of with yknot on this one except 5% of elders can no longer secretly/publicly judge everyone. Oh and the GB will have some of their power drain away.
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