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  Do you feel that suicide is wrong?

  by dandingus in

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  minimus got me thinking with his thread about whether or not you know anyone that committed suicide.

  i think it might be interesting to see what the opinions are.. what do you think?.

  are there cases where it is understandable?

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  Suicide has been described as the sincerest form of self-criticism.

  There are so many grey areas to this. Some random thoughts...

  A young woman in our territory attempted suicide by jumping out of a window - she only succeeded in leaving herself paralysed from the neck down, unable to talk, partially blind and the list goes on. Her mum now says she's very happy and glad to have survived, but if that is true wouldn't life have been so much happier for her had she still had her health?

  It does cause terrible pain for people left behind, but on rare occasions - that is the purpose.

  Assisted suicide has public support in the UK and judges have been instructed to take into account the motives of those assisting suicide and not prosecute if they were just carrying out the wishes of the dying patient. I personally would prefer to end my life at a moment of my choosing rather than suffer to the end from some painful illness.

  Is it wrong? Motives & method are important. Committing suicide if 10 years later you wouldn't do so for the same reasons is wrong - or perhaps poor decision making. Dying from refusal of a blood transfusion - that's suicide and that's wrong. Definitely wrong to jump in front of a train requiring people to pick up their body parts and make thousands of people late for work - that's plain selfish.

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  What Makes You Happy???

  by minimus in

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  i figured that after reading the suicide thread through, we need a more positive thread.. so what makes you happy?

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  Going for a walk in the sunshine
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  Why is it called "Full time service"?

  by no lies please in

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  i've often wondered this during the twenty something years that i pioneered.

  but it doesn't add up, literally.

  seventy hours a month is only about 17.5 hours a week.

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  And why "full time service" was even needed to boost the ego of anyone after calling them a "pioneer"? When I pioneered I opened up no new area of thought, research or development. I never ventured into unknown territory to settle. To call me a pioneer was a misstatement of epic proportions.

  But then when I was a publisher - I never published anything either. I think ministerial servant was kind of not far from reality.

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  Is it worth it to give a very good massage to your significant other?

  by asilentone in

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  Leave the happy ending for the second massage - create a bit of suspense - tantric style

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  GROUP HUG!!!

  by snowbird in

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  anyone wanting or needing a hug, check in here!.

  quickly now, before the supplies run out!.

  sylvia.

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  Could this be classed as internet love bombing? Will I soon be required to study JWN threads 5 times a week and commit to believing everything the administrators write - even if they change their policies from time to time?

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  Another possible explanation for why older JW converts won't leave....

  by besty in

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  "dollar auction' theory - it goes like this.... .

  the setup involves an auctioneer who volunteers to auction off a dollar bill with the following rule: the dollar goes to the highest bidder, who pays the amount he bids.

  the second-highest bidder also must pay the highest amount that he bid, but gets nothing in return.. .

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  Agreed. A lifetimes investment is hard to turn your back on.

  "He that endures to the end..."

  "You still have the same problems if you leave but don't have the troof to help you cope..."

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  It's official--I'm out.

  by sd-7 in

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  "sd-7 is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses.".

  i always imagined this day would come.

  i'm not sure exactly how i knew.

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  Christopher,

  I have read your posts with interest. Thank you for giving us a window into your life during your weeks of turmoil. Maybe in the course of time you can re-read them with a smile and wonder how a group of men who cared so little could manage to cause so much conflict in your life. Standing up to them took great courage. Leaving the borg inevitably has a fallout with family/friends - the borg's parting gift for all your years of service. Hope it works out with your wife.

  Congrats

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  Faders are indeed a very large doormat

  by moshe in

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  sorry, to be so blunt- for a whole day i have watched people here patting themselves on the back- we're a large army, oohh, look out wt, we might do something, well not today or tomorrow, but someday!

  maybe, i have to just accept that a lot of jw's who are exiting the kh by the back door will never find a backbone to stand up to mummy and elder daddy.. jw's have a learned ability to see themselves in a better light than everyone else sees them.

  ask a jw, if they are a charitable religion and they would likely all say they are, but when pressed to name a charity they will be unable to do so.

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  Moshe - some clarification please. What do you mean by fader?

  Are you saying that a fader (description of how one leaves the borg) cannot later become an apostate without being disassociated or disfellowshipped?

  What about the faders who have left the Borg that take anonymous action?

  What about the faders who are still in and have subversive chats with people - doing the work of an apostate from within?

  Your post seems to be either a battle cry trying to stir up some action or a judgemental stereotype - the kind that I've heard a thousand times from the platform.

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  Here's One Way to Get People Into the KH.....Advertise the meetings as English classes

  by blondie in

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  http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/this-and-that/2010/3/10/35052/jehovahs-witnesses-offer-free-bible-instruction-in-english.

  march 11, 2010, updated 7:00 am </form>this and that - 10 march 2010, 9:11 am </form>jehovahs witnesses offer free bible instruction in englishsanto domingo there is now help available for english speakers with a spiritual inclination here in santo domingo.

  starting january 3, 2010 and continuing every sunday thereafter, christian meetings are held in english at the salon del reino de los testigos de jehova, #33 avenida francia on the corner of galvan, in the gascue sector of santo domingo.beginning promptly at 7:30 pm the congregated english speakers will listen to a 30-minute bible lecture.

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  Used to sit in on a study when the learning of English took more way more time than the learning of bible truths. Great cup of tea - warm house in a nice neighbourhood - guaranteed 1.5 hours. He was a great bloke - recommended getting married although his wife was in another country - said she was a really fine woman - cost over 50 camels - literally. I think we that translated that as "pretty fit" in English?

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  Faders are indeed a large army...

  by undercover in

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  ...and i think it's starting to show.. i started a thread the other day about being hounded after several years of having successfully(?

  ) faded.

  i've been taken aback a bit the recent developments but i'm making a new strategy...one that depends more on sticking to my guns and laying the cards on the table.

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  Wobble, about 6 or 7 years ago as a result of the data protection act they got us all (in the UK) to sign a document saying we were happy for records and information to be kept on us "for the purpose of shepherding". I think this is a one off action just like ticking a box on many websites when first registering. If this is after your time then they can probably keep information without your written consent until the point you object. You have the right to see all data stored about you either in Bethel or the Congregation. You can also ask for this to be destroyed. They will charge you an admin fee.

  This is a great thread. I agree with metatron about draining morale because I've seen the impact faders have but only if they were well respected and at some point really active. If a "weak" JW fades, one who never really gave answers or never did much FS or didn't ever have responsibility isn't going to make a hard core JW think twice. It's easy to categorise them as weak, or if someone gets DF'd then they did something wrong or were arrogant - all their fault. But it strikes a hard blow if a popular elder or mini or pioneer just disappears off the scene - even if it takes a few years - they are missed.

  When I slowly faded and then stopped suddenly some elders made a concerted effort to contact me. But most seemed to want to leave the door open for me, especially as they had no idea why I was going. Moving away made it much easier. Almost every fader from our cong moved away. It's very hard to leave behind what you've been used to doing for decades and in many cases your whole life.

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