Couldn't resist sharing this~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QBv2CFTSWU&feature=player_detailpage
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay7srp7lole.
Couldn't resist sharing this~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QBv2CFTSWU&feature=player_detailpage
this is a shunning story that was recently conveyed to me by email.
i have changed the names/dates to protect the privacy of the individuals.
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mom went on about how I had a choice and this is what I chose.
That is such a big lie! I will always hate the religion for this! There really isn't much of a choice in their little JW world, especially if you are born-into. To use that to explain to the little ones why they won't be seeing her anymore is sick..it implies that the disfellowshipped person chooses the shunning.
to 'Rebecca'
after this last conversation with my father, i had almost decided to completely just not have any contact at all.
but then realized i still need to go through my parents to ever talk with my little sister.
if i'm feeling up to any discussion at all with them, it's going to be short.
"That's not why I called you, I wanted to talk to you about XYZ...."~ Broken Promises
Yes! XYZ is the way to go. That's the plan.
"Have you seen (the latest movie release)? I'm thinking of watching it"
Don't think this one will go to well, though, LOL!
after this last conversation with my father, i had almost decided to completely just not have any contact at all.
but then realized i still need to go through my parents to ever talk with my little sister.
if i'm feeling up to any discussion at all with them, it's going to be short.
If they are determined to stay weird, and stuck in astrange silly cult, I cannot change that, but they are still family , so we remain on cordial terms. ~wobble
Staying on cordial terms.. sounds good. Not talking about religion, that sounds easier than it looks, lol! Still learning to not react so much when they say what they feel they need to say in a preachy way. ( that rhymed, what do you know) It will be better if we don't go off on tangents for sure. That will just bring up those same frustrations again..leading to insanity, at best. Here it is i have made a pact with myself...no religious tangents, especially not initiating a defense mechanism in them for crying out loud, bring it around to the peace, bring it around to the love, easy does it.
my wife loves faeries, and anything to do with them, I said to her the other day "You know they are real don't you?" and she said "Of course they are" I think she is a true believer !
Love it!
it's probably best not to discuss religion if you want to stay in contact with your family, especially to have access to your sister.~ Broken Promises
That is so true. Sometimes I have brought it up, sometimes they have. It seems usually what gets the religion talk going is when they want to preach to me and I react to it. It will be better to let it roll off like water on a duck's back. It's taking awhile to get there.
Thanks for the support people on here that I've never met, yet understand and care~
after this last conversation with my father, i had almost decided to completely just not have any contact at all.
but then realized i still need to go through my parents to ever talk with my little sister.
if i'm feeling up to any discussion at all with them, it's going to be short.
It's true, they have given answers like that when they were asked some similar questions. It's no surprise, it's so predictable really. It's so frustrating to even discuss. Remembering back to some advise given by the well-loved Stephen Hassan, I am probably reacting the exact opposite of what his well-thought out suggestions were. It's so hard to know what I know and not try to help my family out. I feel like I lost a really good family. And it's infuriatiing at the same time that what I say isn't respected because of the very fact that I am not one of them anymore. My words hold little or no value to them any longer. That really stings.
I will keep letting them know they are loved. It's maddening when it seems like there is no hope...that they are all united in their devotion to the religion..they all have each other to perpetuate the faith in the lie. They all just keep saying 'come back'. It doesn't matter how many times I say 'no chance', they keep holding out some false hope that I will 'come to my senses' and return, because, after all, others have.
It's better when we don't talk. I live my life, and they live theirs. It's less painful that way. There is no battle, nothing to prove. If they want to live that way, it's their choice. I chose to come out of it, and deserve to live..and living is what I'm doing~
after this last conversation with my father, i had almost decided to completely just not have any contact at all.
but then realized i still need to go through my parents to ever talk with my little sister.
if i'm feeling up to any discussion at all with them, it's going to be short.
After this last conversation with my father, I had almost decided to completely just not have any contact at all. But then realized I still need to go through my parents to ever talk with my little sister. So what am i going to do? If I'm feeling up to any discussion at all with them, it's going to be short. I'm going to take more control of this. If we are going to discuss, I will be given the dignity of an answer to my question, or the conversation is ending. Enough of this 'we all want you to come back' condescending stuff.
Here are a few questions I may ask at some point, one at a time, and if i'm feelling up to it~
~If your religion is the 'truth' it should stand up to criticism and analysis at any time, yes?
~Is it fair that someone born-into the religion should lose all family if they one day decide to believe differently? It doesn't give that person much of a choice, does it?
~If it's the 'truth' why are you fearful of talking with those that have left? Are you afraid we may shake your faith? If it's true, there should be no fear.
~If the message is so urgent, why don't JW use the efficiency of the internet to help others?
Please feel free to help me with some questions. I have to promise myself to only ask them one at a time. One at a time. One at a time...I can do this
alright, that's it!
after writing this, i am on a serious search for a good therapist~.
i've been coming here on and off for a little over a year now(wish i had found it sooner) ...for validation and clarity in my feelings about how hurtful the religion is...so i don't feel so alone about it, and so i don't feel like i am losing my mind~.
talesin~ You really are sweet, thank you for caring.
Terry~ Thanks for your post. I especially liked 'embrace change in life as an opportunity to do something new'...when I fell that way, I'm at my happiest. There has been alot of surrendering these past several years, but the beauty of it is that it has freed me up to pursue my passions. Sometimes the tears still flow, sometimes it's still difficult to keep letting go, sometimes I feel overwhelmed. But it seems that that is part of the human experience.
Band on the Run~ Thank you
i came across this little tidbit on the facebook page of a regular pioneer.
true, jdubs aren't supposed to be on facebook, but what she put as her employment was rather interesting.. "employer - jehovah.
regular pioneer sep 2009 to presentspending an average of 840hrs a year teaching persons the bible,teaching persons asl ,listening and giving scriptural advice on personal problems,telling idiots to enjoy the rest of their day,encouraging others,being always prepared for impromptu assignments and having satisfying fun!".
to the whole bit
10. if i said you had a nice governing body would you hold it against me?.
9. let's overlap our generations if you know what i mean.. 8. what do you say we lose this great crowd?.
7. i want to be your faithful slave.. 6. tonight we're gonna party like it's 1974.. 7. your breasts are like towers.. 6. would you welcome a shepherding call?.
You all are awesome! LOL!!
What do you say this little lamb and hairy he-goat get together and exert ourselves vigorously~until the morning star and the angels blow their trumpets (or something like that lol!)
alright, that's it!
after writing this, i am on a serious search for a good therapist~.
i've been coming here on and off for a little over a year now(wish i had found it sooner) ...for validation and clarity in my feelings about how hurtful the religion is...so i don't feel so alone about it, and so i don't feel like i am losing my mind~.
~Update~
This therapist isn't going to work. I'm just not feeling it. Back to creative outlets... and moreand with ..