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  Great exjw tattoo!

  by lisaBObeesa in

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  i saw this on facebook, posted (to the public) by an exjw named mathew tallman and i had to share it.

  i freakin' love it!

  mr. tallman, the owner of the tattoo said, "i used to draw a little gun in his hand during the meetings when i was a kid.

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  Chaserious

  Awesome... the dinosaur from the map inside of the old bible!
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  Does the WT have any legal grounds to go after "apostates" for defamation, slander, libel?

  by never a jw in

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  question to all those well versed in legal issues.

  all jw's, when confronted with criticism, claim that apostates lie about the wt.

  i always have wondered, given the litigious environment in which we live in western democracies, why the wts doesn't go after all those websites that publish so many "lies" about "the truth".. can this lack of action on the part of the wts be used as evidence of the truthfulness of the message in "apostate" sites such as jwfacts,.

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  Normally it wouldn't really prove anything that they don't go after apostates, since it's not always worth the time and expense for institutions to go after people on the internet. But since the WTS normally likes to go after any perceived violation of their rights, it does stand out.

  There is also the issue of opinion. Opinions are usually protected, even if they might be able to fairly be characterized as a "lie". For example, let's say that I write that the GB is more interested in protecting pedophiles than protecting children. Even assuming for argument's sake that it's false, there wouldn't be legal grounds since there's no way to prove what they really are interested in.

  It's an interesting point. I don't know how active JWs would react to this. I suspect it would have to be someone who already has doubts. Otherwise, I doubt most JWs understand this concept and will just assume there is a good reason the WTS doesn't pursue these people. When it comes to legal matters, they like to sound the trumpets whenever they get a victory but when they lose they say it's because we're in Satan's world and everything is under his control.
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  All of Bethel Know About The Child Molestation Law Suits: And The Governing Body Is Looking Very Bad In Most Bethlites Eyes I'm Willing To Bet

  by frankiespeakin in

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  ok we had the silent lambs march years ago right there at head quarter over this issue, don't you think that caused a lot of gossip, and expose on a big abc network called 20/20, and many in europe, canada, all about how bad the governing body's policies are on children.. now we have out of court settlements with victims with a gag order, conti big case, and many more.

  so i would think everyone at bethel knows about the governing body's mishandleling of these matters.. i'm sure this, a long with the big new light about the governing body alone make of the faithful slave are causing many a lot of irritation and so are seeing these guys now in a different light..

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  Now we have out of court settlements with victims with a gag order

  Even if Bethelites know something about the Conti case, you can bet that if they get gag-order settlements, knowledge of those at Bethel is strictly kept on a need-to-know basis.
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  Lot's Wife Dot-to-Dot for Kids IS child abuse. Active parents - please read.

  by likeabird in

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  2. child-abuse

  i'm posting this in the public section as i would like any active witness with children to think about this carefully.. .

  for those of you who haven't seen it yet, this is the picture in question :.

  (source : http://www.jw.org/assets/m/ijw13fr/502013170/ijw13fr_id-502013170_e/502013170_e_cnt_1.pdf ).

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  the above picture and others dealing with death is a clear case of child abuse - on the same level as a child being sexually abused.

  The pictures are certainly disturbing and should not be used with children, but this comparison is still absurd.
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  wow that just hit me like a ton of bricks

  by cptkirk in

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  it just hit me why none of you have a clue as to who i am or what to make of me.

  you are all completely foreigners lol...wow that is like crazy as shit.

  most of you have not even a clue as to east coast hardcore new york philly personality types, esp of xy generation.

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  the hardcore people from philly new york boston virgina/dc run the world.

  I have lived my entire life on the east coast and lived, worked or gone to college in all of these cities except for Boston and I don't agree with this or get this thread in general either, so I don't think it's all geographical.
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  The first Kingdom Hall to be damaged by a meteorite?

  by cedars in

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  meteorite explodes over russiamarch 4, 2013 | russia.

  on february 15, 2013, a meteorite exploded over the southern ural mountain region of chelyabinsk, russia, injuring over a thousand, damaging buildings, and producing shock waves that blew out windows in many homes.

  local witness elders quickly mobilized to contact all of the jehovahs witnesses in the affected area.

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  This is just paving the way for next BOE letter to roll out the Kingdom Hall Meteorite Assistance Arrangement. (KHMAA) For just $0.08 per publisher per month to the Society, the Kingdom Hall can be now insured against Meteorites.
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  In Australia, A $3 Billion Jehovah’s Witnesses Class Action Over Child Abuse looms Large

  by Scott77 in

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  2. child-abuse

  that's the approximate headline from steve unthank's website at www.jwnews.org.

  assuming those numberous victims of sexual abuse prevail in the court and ultimately, get awarded substantial amount of compasation, what do you think will happen to the watchtower we know it today?.

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  Something to remember is that litigating at every opportunity, even when you have a losing case, is not always best for a cause. The only way that something big is going to happen to the WTS is if public opinion turns against them. When members of the public or the court system who don't have an interest one way or the other see outlandish claims, a flair for sensationalism, or a personal vendetta, they tend to think that the person or group making those claims is the problem.

  Historically, groups that have been successful fighting in court for rights that are unpopular or lack public support pick their battles very carefully. They are well-organized and resist the temptation to pick fights that could be damaging from a public relations standpoint. I think it's important to realize that even though someone might be fighting hard for your cause, they might be doing more damage than good to it.
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  Julia's Inquisition - Two elders, the full version! I want you all to see this.

  by Julia Orwell in

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  sorry it's gonna be long winded.

  i've done my best to reconstruct from memory.

  my husband was next to me the whole time.

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  Very courageous of you, Julia. It's interesting how they ALWAYS trot out the "Do you believe the Governing Body is the FDS?" in every congregation around the earth when there is a hint of independent thinking, and relentlessly pursue it a hundred different ways to try to get an answer. Very inquisitorial, with no basis in scripture for that kind of questioning.

  Way to show them you're no fool, either. It reminds my of when I got DF'd, we had a long exchange that was very similar to yours, except instead of a university or the bank, the elder used the example of the army. It was a better example, to be honest, and a little harder to argue that disagreement was permitted. I told him changes are made in the army because people persist in disagreeing about something unfair, like allowing women into the army, or allowing homosexuals. Also once you leave the army you can still be friends with those who are still in. Anyway, great job on your part, and best of luck going ahead, since surely they won't leave you alone.

  If I had it to do over again, I would not meet with a judicial committee and acknowledge their authority. Although I suspect that with the elders as two witnesses to what you said, they might DF you anyway. I think attending the JC did help win my wife over, since she saw that I was just being sincere and honest and they DF'd me anyway. So consider how to expose them to your husband also when you decide how to proceed. Think about demanding that he sit in on the judicial committee if you decide to attend one.
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  THIS NEEDS ITS OWN THREAD:: TODAY's WT Paragraph 16

  by Lied2NoMore in

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  here is what got my spidey senses tingling: paragraph 16, reference to daniel p mannix book, was wondering if his statement was mis-quoted so i did my research.......but was even more shocked when i saw this: .

  from amazon dot com reviews................ probably the most provocative work of historical fiction published this century,"those who are about to die" is pure mannix at his best.

  a uncensured exploration of what likely took place in the circuses of ancient rome.

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  Chaserious

  Nothing surprises me anymore. So according to the WTS, actual scholarly work can be summarily dismissed (like, I don't know... 607 BCE, science) if it doesn't agree with Watchtower doctrine, yet historical fiction can be presented as reality.
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  Candace Conti: WTS Notified Re Opening Appellate Brief

  by DNCall in

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  according to the docket, wts was notified that their opening brief has not been timely filed.

  their appeal will be dismissed if there is no further activity by february 22, 2013.

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  Chaserious

  There was another extension - it was reported in this thread:

  http://jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/245801/1/Candace-Conti-Further-Extension