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  NYT Breaking News-Internet Disrupts Mormon Church

  by Band on the Run in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  excuse tyoos.

  i am breaking in a new smart phone keyp.

  yesterday or today s mobile breaking news summary included a piece that ranked with the syrian civil war, the zimmemsn trial aftermath, business newd , etc.

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  Chaserious

  Here's a link. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/us/some-mormons-search-the-web-and-find-doubt.html?hp&_r=0

  "Mr. Givens and his wife, Fiona, recently presented what they called “Crucible of Doubt” sessions for questioning Mormons in England, Scotland and Ireland. Hundreds attended each event. . . . The church is not sponsoring the sessions, Mr. Givens said, but local bishops give their permission.

  Eric Hawkins, a church spokesman, said that “every church faces this challenge,” adding, “The answer is not to try to silence critics, but to provide as much information and as much support as possible to those who may be affected.”

  Contrast that with JW leadership's position that a group of members and former members meeting on their own to discuss their doubts would be mentally diseased human apostates...
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  WTS carts/stands in NYC or other cities

  by Hillary in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  has anyone here approached the jw's at the carts and what has come of it?

  did u say ur ex-jw or did u try to poke holes in the doctrines?

  were u able to embarrass them in front of any bystanders with issues such as child abuse cover-up, false prophecy, etc?

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  Chaserious

  I have passed by the stands many times in the NY subways, but I never have stopped to talk to them. They don't approach anyone and just rely on people coming over. As a result, 90% of the time they are just standing there talking among themselves, and the other 10% of the time the person talking to them has crazy eyes or just doesn't seem to be all there. I would be shocked if they get anyone in possession of most of their mental faculties to a meeting from these stands.
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  Savage Dog attack JW victim is back to House to House Preaching

  by Scott77 in

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  2. current

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  http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/dog_attack_victim_recovering_back_to_jehovahs_witness/20130629_11_a1_cutlin782235?subj=1.

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  Chaserious

  Was that dog doing anything besides protecting its owner from a cult member spewing her false religious propaganda to the public on someones private property... Too bad it didn't have enough time to finish the job.

  What an absolutely awful and insensitve comment. I'm sure the dog was able to determine the beliefs of the people coming up the path and judge the correctness or falsity of the message. Any dog that attacks so viciously needs to be put down. Anyone who would want their dog to ever viciously attack someone who is not being physically threatening is beyond wrong, not to mention liable to a lawsuit and possibly criminal charges.
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  I lost my pet today...

  by tooktheredpill in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  she was a 12 year old maltese.

  the best pet in the world.

  my wife and i never had kids, so she was our only daughter.

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  Chaserious

  So sorry to hear about your loss. My wife and I lost our three-year old cat suddenly last year. He was the best pet either of us ever had - so affectionate that he reminded us of a little puppy. It still hurts but fades a little as time moves on. I really have a soft spot for pets - they each have a unique personality, and are innocent and loyal unlike many humans. Condolences as you grieve.
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  WT major shareholder in military tech company! (Links)

  by Comatose in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a friend uncovered this doing research on his own.

  i have never heard of it before and i suspect its not known.

  seems legit and like a bombshell.

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  Chaserious

  Ah.... Well it seems like a huge deal to me. How did they weasel out of this one?

  Evidently the short version of the supposed story is either that they were erroneously listed as a shareholder and it was corrected, or that the interest was left to them by someone without their prior knowledge.
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  WT major shareholder in military tech company! (Links)

  by Comatose in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a friend uncovered this doing research on his own.

  i have never heard of it before and i suspect its not known.

  seems legit and like a bombshell.

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  Chaserious

  It has been discussed in a number of prior threads. Type "Rand Cam" or "Reg Tech" into the search function and they will show up. Here are a couple:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/41208/3/W-T-S-RESPONSE-TO-RAND-CAM-ALLEGAT

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/249627/2/Who-are-the-men-that-REALLY-Run-the-WT
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  Conspiracy Theorists Vindicated?

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.blacklistednews.com/new_studies%3a_%e2%80%98conspiracy_theorists%e2%80%99_sane%3b_government_dupes_crazy%2c_hostile/27293/0/38/38/y/m.html.

  actually, i think creating conspiracies is one of the primary products of modern government.

  if citizens aren't responsible and involved enough, then crafted lies follow.. .

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  Chaserious

  How objective can this story really be when the title calls people who are not conspiracy theorists "government dupes?"
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  Open letter – Re: Mr. Bowen, Mrs. Anderson

  by Prime in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  "jws leaders need to mandate elder bodies to uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction; prohibit elders from being involved in any investigative process to decide guilt or innocence in place of the authorities; do away with the two-witness rule to determine, as if they were magistrates, guilt or innocence of someone accused; prohibit so-called repentant molesters from engaging in the door-to-door ministry, and always inform the congregation if a convicted or confessed molester is meeting with them.

  " -barbara anderson .

  this is another reason why the watchtower society doesn't require that the elders uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction.

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  You are 100% right, wha happened. I'm done feeding this one. Shame on me for taking so long to realize it.
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  Open letter – Re: Mr. Bowen, Mrs. Anderson

  by Prime in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  "jws leaders need to mandate elder bodies to uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction; prohibit elders from being involved in any investigative process to decide guilt or innocence in place of the authorities; do away with the two-witness rule to determine, as if they were magistrates, guilt or innocence of someone accused; prohibit so-called repentant molesters from engaging in the door-to-door ministry, and always inform the congregation if a convicted or confessed molester is meeting with them.

  " -barbara anderson .

  this is another reason why the watchtower society doesn't require that the elders uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction.

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  Chaserious

  Article VI Clause 2 of the Constitution reads: ....

  The Supremacy Clause has nothing to do with this. Prime said:

  it declares that federal law takes precedence over all forms of state law.

  That is not quite correct. The Supremacy clause only means that valid federal law takes precedence over inconsistent state law. Is there some federal law that you think is inconsistent with the state laws that GLT pointed out? I'm not aware of any federal reporting law. In any event, your initial statement about the WTS requiring more than the federal government is just silly. Of course the " administrative position of Jehovah's Witnesses" has "the right to require more from the elders than the federal government." They require that elders (and other Jehovah's Witnesses) not own handguns, don't they? Doesn't that go beyond what the constitution allows, in that a state or city could never ban its residents from owning handguns? They can require whatever they want from the elders. They like to boast about being the most morally pure people out there. So why not set the example in prioritizing the prevention of abuse over bad publicity against the organization? Whatever the government requires is a floor, not a ceiling. If you want to boast about your morals, don't do the minimum.
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  Supreme Court decision in Wisconsin

  by ldrnomo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://www.htrnews.com/viewart/20130710/man0101/130710036.

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  The girl’s attorney, assistant state public defender Shelly Fite...

  Interesting that the JW minor was assigned a public defender to argue that she should have been able to refuse blood. I'm not sure what the law is in Wisconsin, but I wonder if this was what they had in mind when whatever law was passed (which is probably why this would occur) allowing a state-paid attorney to be appointed to represent minors when they need protection.