Lol... good first post. It took me two reads through to figure out exactly what you were talking about, but it was funny. Those pubs were always something else who always called around the hall looking for rides everywhere, to the meetings, to the grocery stores., to pick up medicine. Also calling around looking for somebody in the hall to fix their busted car or house instead of hiring someone.
Chaserious
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Good Reasons To Hate Every Weak And Ex-Jehovah Witness.
by AuntConnie in1. my husband's time is finite, it's wasted on spouses arguing over money, sex or family mattters with stupid home visits.. .
i hate people's constant open hand for money, it's the weak individuals asking others to pull their weight.
my family worked extra hours instead of begging the strong members for district assembly money, cat food for seven cats or tiny little rag-a-muffins weiner dogs.. .
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Do they still follow the same backwards policy on AIDS?
by Chaserious ini was browsing through some of the boe letters (made available here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243938/1/all-letters-to-elders-from-the-branch-1981-2012-boe) and came across the 3/15/96 letter about persons with communicable diseases.
it specifically mentions aids several times in the letter and seems to be primarily targeted at that population.
among other gems:.
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Chaserious
These questions were added in 1996, so I guess that's when they started asking them. I was dunked in 1996, coincidentally, and I don't remember this question, but it's not something that would have left much of an impression at the time, I suspect. I was dunked in a pool in a JW-owned assembly hall, where the pool was always kept filled, so maybe they kept those chlorinated, but not pools in rental halls or stadiums. BTW, the letter reads in part:
" To assist the elders in providing guidance for those with a communicable and potentially fatal disease who request baptism, the following additional questions are to be reviewed with candidates for baptism. In addition to this letter, an insert for the Our Ministry book outlining this information will soon be provided for each elder.
When covering question 4 on page 191 under the subheading "Sanctity of Life," be sure to include the following questions:
(a) What responsibility rests upon a person who is infected with a communicable disease that is potentially fatal?
Keeping an eye, not in personal interest upon just your own matters but also in personal interest upon those ofthe others.-Phil. 2:4.
All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must likewise do to them.-Matt. 7:12.
(b) To avoid transmitting a potentially fatal disease to others, (I) why would it be better for an infected person not to initiate public
displays of affection such as hugging and kissing?
(2) why would it be best to attend the Congregation Book Study at theKingdom Hall, if at all possible?
(3) why should infected ones not react negatively when some choose not toinvite them into their homes?
(4) why would it be wise to choose voluntarily to have a blood test beforebeginning a courtship?
When covering Question 3 on page 217, be sure to ask the following question: (a) If one has a communicable disease, why is letting the presiding overseer
know about it before that one gets baptized the loving thing to do?"
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Do they still follow the same backwards policy on AIDS?
by Chaserious ini was browsing through some of the boe letters (made available here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243938/1/all-letters-to-elders-from-the-branch-1981-2012-boe) and came across the 3/15/96 letter about persons with communicable diseases.
it specifically mentions aids several times in the letter and seems to be primarily targeted at that population.
among other gems:.
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Chaserious
I recall the pools being chlorinated, but I'm not positive. As far as the elders not knowing if someone has AIDS, in the same letter I was referring to, it said that a question would be added to the baptismal questions about the responsibility of someone with a communicable disease to inform the elders. So basically everyone that gets baptized has to promise the elders they would tell them if they had AIDS.
Also, I don't think they could sue over not being invited over, at least in the U.S. Besides obviously not suing if they want to remain in good standing in the org, people can invite whoever they want to their house socially. The discrimination laws don't apply to private social settings. Not illegal, just unchristian. WTBTS.
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Do they still follow the same backwards policy on AIDS?
by Chaserious ini was browsing through some of the boe letters (made available here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243938/1/all-letters-to-elders-from-the-branch-1981-2012-boe) and came across the 3/15/96 letter about persons with communicable diseases.
it specifically mentions aids several times in the letter and seems to be primarily targeted at that population.
among other gems:.
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Chaserious
I happened to see the movie Philadelphia last week, which came out in 1993, and the discussion of AIDS in that movie and how it is transmitted is basically in line with what we know now. Of course, stereotypes and demonization of the virus were more common back then, with people wanting to classify it as some kind of gay plague. Definitely shows the ignorance of the GB.
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Do they still follow the same backwards policy on AIDS?
by Chaserious ini was browsing through some of the boe letters (made available here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243938/1/all-letters-to-elders-from-the-branch-1981-2012-boe) and came across the 3/15/96 letter about persons with communicable diseases.
it specifically mentions aids several times in the letter and seems to be primarily targeted at that population.
among other gems:.
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Chaserious
I was browsing through some of the BOE letters (made available here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/243938/1/All-Letters-to-Elders-From-The-branch-1981-2012-BOE) and came across the 3/15/96 letter about persons with communicable diseases. It specifically mentions AIDS several times in the letter and seems to be primarily targeted at that population. Among other gems:
- Persons with AIDS can't be baptized in the general baptism pool - it would have to be in a hotel tub or "running body of water." (Does that mean a lake doesn't count?? And are they afraid of polluting a body of water with AIDS, unless it has a running current???)
- They should not hug or kiss others
- They should only attend the Book Study at the Kingdom Hall (not that this would apply now, anyway)
- If others in the cong don't invite AIDS victims to their homes, such victims should "not react negatively"
I'm positive that it was known in 1996 how AIDS was spread, and it's not by hugging, kissing, being in a room with someone, or even bathing in the same pool. Do they not believe what science has proven? Does anyone know if this policy is still in effect? It makes them look so backwards - not that this is the only policy that makes them appear that way. I couldn't find a letter changing this policy.
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At what point do you just take advantage?
by HintOfLime init is easy really.
it is easy to identify people who want something.
as a business person, you learn to identify the needs in a crowd and think about how you can supply them with a product.
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Chaserious
I think you are overestimating your own business savvy. One way I know this is that you even felt a need to ask this question.
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Something's missing
by Anony Mous ini haven't been on here much in the last couple of months.
but i have shared custody so my ex keeps me informed of 'witness holidays' where she would have custody and i would get make up time.
what's missing is the 3 day conventions.
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Chaserious
If I recall, the convention dates don't get announced until January.
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Chaserious
But can you really believe their self reported numbers?
I don't doubt them. They only grew with the overall population growth, which means they didn't grow at all in proportion to the general population. Foreign language groups are still dunking new converts at a reasonable rate. It makes sense because some from these groups tend to have less education and access to reliable independant information. If you go by outside survey numbers, they would have about 2 Million JWs based on how people self-report (e.g. inactive people and minors being reported as JWs whereas they only count people who turn in a time report for the month).
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Are JW'S "hated" in all the world? Or...are they considered IRRELEVANT?
by Terry inwathctower 90/1/1 p. 12 par.
8 not ashamed of the good news .
while it is true that jehovahs witnesses are hated and opposed in all the nations of the earth, this is in fulfillment of what was foretold to be an identifying mark of genuine worshipers of the one living and true god.
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Chaserious
I'm sure they point to what is going on in Russia as evidence. Although, Russia of course is not "all the world".
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Long Term Effect of Conti & Similar Cases?
by Chaserious ini was commenting in another thread this morning and saw speculation that the conti verdict will hasten the wts' decline, beyond just the money they may have to pay in that case itself.
i have seen this mentioned a number of times and it got me thinking and doing a bit of research.
i think the speculation and hope is that it will give rise to similar lawsuits which will meet with similar success.
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Chaserious
I don't think they are asking for additional liability by making the elders call them. Elders are already appointed by the WTS, so the WTS is largely going to be on the hook already for their actions that fall within the bailiwick of duties as an elder. It's whether the corporation can be held liable for the actions of a MS/ publisher that is murky right now. While an elder could seek personal counsel (doubt many actually would), they still can be required to call WTS legal, as least if they want to remain as an elder. It's no different than a corporation requiring that the manager of an individual branch call HQ legal anytime someone slips and falls on the premises. While the manager might potentially be individually liable as well (e.g. if she had failed to put up a warning sign for a wet floor) and therefore can get her own attorney, she still has to call the main legal department.
Of course, this is complicated by the mandatory reporting requirements for sexual abuse in many states. To use my analogy, if the corporation had a policy that the manager call legal before calling 911 if someone fell, they could potentially be asking for trouble. Though, with a business corporation, the attorney would have a professional obligation to make sure the manager knew he represented the company, and not the individual. I wonder if the WTS legal department informs the elders of this. Ethically, they should. I wouldn't exactly trust the ethics of anyone in WTS HQ any further than I could see them, of course.