Now we have out of court settlements with victims with a gag order
Even if Bethelites know something about the Conti case, you can bet that if they get gag-order settlements, knowledge of those at Bethel is strictly kept on a need-to-know basis.
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All of Bethel Know About The Child Molestation Law Suits: And The Governing Body Is Looking Very Bad In Most Bethlites Eyes I'm Willing To Bet
by frankiespeakin inok we had the silent lambs march years ago right there at head quarter over this issue, don't you think that caused a lot of gossip, and expose on a big abc network called 20/20, and many in europe, canada, all about how bad the governing body's policies are on children.. now we have out of court settlements with victims with a gag order, conti big case, and many more.
so i would think everyone at bethel knows about the governing body's mishandleling of these matters.. i'm sure this, a long with the big new light about the governing body alone make of the faithful slave are causing many a lot of irritation and so are seeing these guys now in a different light..
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Lot's Wife Dot-to-Dot for Kids IS child abuse. Active parents - please read.
by likeabird ini'm posting this in the public section as i would like any active witness with children to think about this carefully.. .
for those of you who haven't seen it yet, this is the picture in question :.
(source : http://www.jw.org/assets/m/ijw13fr/502013170/ijw13fr_id-502013170_e/502013170_e_cnt_1.pdf ).
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the above picture and others dealing with death is a clear case of child abuse - on the same level as a child being sexually abused.
The pictures are certainly disturbing and should not be used with children, but this comparison is still absurd.
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wow that just hit me like a ton of bricks
by cptkirk init just hit me why none of you have a clue as to who i am or what to make of me.
you are all completely foreigners lol...wow that is like crazy as shit.
most of you have not even a clue as to east coast hardcore new york philly personality types, esp of xy generation.
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the hardcore people from philly new york boston virgina/dc run the world.
I have lived my entire life on the east coast and lived, worked or gone to college in all of these cities except for Boston and I don't agree with this or get this thread in general either, so I don't think it's all geographical.
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The first Kingdom Hall to be damaged by a meteorite?
by cedars inmeteorite explodes over russiamarch 4, 2013 | russia.
on february 15, 2013, a meteorite exploded over the southern ural mountain region of chelyabinsk, russia, injuring over a thousand, damaging buildings, and producing shock waves that blew out windows in many homes.
local witness elders quickly mobilized to contact all of the jehovahs witnesses in the affected area.
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Chaserious
This is just paving the way for next BOE letter to roll out the Kingdom Hall Meteorite Assistance Arrangement. (KHMAA) For just $0.08 per publisher per month to the Society, the Kingdom Hall can be now insured against Meteorites.
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In Australia, A $3 Billion Jehovahs Witnesses Class Action Over Child Abuse looms Large
by Scott77 inthat's the approximate headline from steve unthank's website at www.jwnews.org.
assuming those numberous victims of sexual abuse prevail in the court and ultimately, get awarded substantial amount of compasation, what do you think will happen to the watchtower we know it today?.
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Something to remember is that litigating at every opportunity, even when you have a losing case, is not always best for a cause. The only way that something big is going to happen to the WTS is if public opinion turns against them. When members of the public or the court system who don't have an interest one way or the other see outlandish claims, a flair for sensationalism, or a personal vendetta, they tend to think that the person or group making those claims is the problem.
Historically, groups that have been successful fighting in court for rights that are unpopular or lack public support pick their battles very carefully. They are well-organized and resist the temptation to pick fights that could be damaging from a public relations standpoint. I think it's important to realize that even though someone might be fighting hard for your cause, they might be doing more damage than good to it.
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Julia's Inquisition - Two elders, the full version! I want you all to see this.
by Julia Orwell insorry it's gonna be long winded.
i've done my best to reconstruct from memory.
my husband was next to me the whole time.
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Very courageous of you, Julia. It's interesting how they ALWAYS trot out the "Do you believe the Governing Body is the FDS?" in every congregation around the earth when there is a hint of independent thinking, and relentlessly pursue it a hundred different ways to try to get an answer. Very inquisitorial, with no basis in scripture for that kind of questioning.
Way to show them you're no fool, either. It reminds my of when I got DF'd, we had a long exchange that was very similar to yours, except instead of a university or the bank, the elder used the example of the army. It was a better example, to be honest, and a little harder to argue that disagreement was permitted. I told him changes are made in the army because people persist in disagreeing about something unfair, like allowing women into the army, or allowing homosexuals. Also once you leave the army you can still be friends with those who are still in. Anyway, great job on your part, and best of luck going ahead, since surely they won't leave you alone.
If I had it to do over again, I would not meet with a judicial committee and acknowledge their authority. Although I suspect that with the elders as two witnesses to what you said, they might DF you anyway. I think attending the JC did help win my wife over, since she saw that I was just being sincere and honest and they DF'd me anyway. So consider how to expose them to your husband also when you decide how to proceed. Think about demanding that he sit in on the judicial committee if you decide to attend one.
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THIS NEEDS ITS OWN THREAD:: TODAY's WT Paragraph 16
by Lied2NoMore inhere is what got my spidey senses tingling: paragraph 16, reference to daniel p mannix book, was wondering if his statement was mis-quoted so i did my research.......but was even more shocked when i saw this: .
from amazon dot com reviews................ probably the most provocative work of historical fiction published this century,"those who are about to die" is pure mannix at his best.
a uncensured exploration of what likely took place in the circuses of ancient rome.
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Nothing surprises me anymore. So according to the WTS, actual scholarly work can be summarily dismissed (like, I don't know... 607 BCE, science) if it doesn't agree with Watchtower doctrine, yet historical fiction can be presented as reality.
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Candace Conti: WTS Notified Re Opening Appellate Brief
by DNCall inaccording to the docket, wts was notified that their opening brief has not been timely filed.
their appeal will be dismissed if there is no further activity by february 22, 2013.
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Chaserious
There was another extension - it was reported in this thread:
http://jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/245801/1/Candace-Conti-Further-Extension
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In Australia, A $3 Billion Jehovahs Witnesses Class Action Over Child Abuse looms Large
by Scott77 inthat's the approximate headline from steve unthank's website at www.jwnews.org.
assuming those numberous victims of sexual abuse prevail in the court and ultimately, get awarded substantial amount of compasation, what do you think will happen to the watchtower we know it today?.
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Scott - I read the article, and I believe that Unthank is using the term "victim" rather loosely. As I understand the lawsuit (and if others are more familiar, please correct me if I am mistaken), in Australia there is a law that requires people who work with children to get some type of background check. It would apply to people like teachers and those working in medical clinics where they see children. Unthank is charging that adult JWs who were involved in JW activities with children were required to get the background check. So if an adult JW went door-to-door, or cleaned the Kingdom Hall or even taught the Ministry School (it is called a "school" after all) in a group that included children, it is a violation. He also counted each violation separately, so if an adult JW went in field service 20 times with a child JW, he is counting that as 20 violations and calling for 20 fines to be levied. That is how he comes up with the $3 Billion figure.
This is not to say that there are no cases of JW child sexual abuse in Australia, but personally I would save the term "victim" for someone who was actually physically or sexually abused. When he says there were 6,160 victims, I believe the 6,160 is the number of every JW child in Victoria, so "victim" just means children JWs who did regular JW activities with adult JWs who didn't have the background check. Also, the government prosecutors have said they don't think the JWs are guilty, but Unthank can still bring the case privately, so that's what he's doing. So, that's why I originally said not to get hopes up about this. This is not to criticize Unthank. Getting the background checks is a good step toward preventing child abuse. But I suspect that awareness is about all that is going to come out of this lawsuit.
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In Australia, A $3 Billion Jehovahs Witnesses Class Action Over Child Abuse looms Large
by Scott77 inthat's the approximate headline from steve unthank's website at www.jwnews.org.
assuming those numberous victims of sexual abuse prevail in the court and ultimately, get awarded substantial amount of compasation, what do you think will happen to the watchtower we know it today?.
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I wouldn't get too excited about the Unthank lawsuit. Are there victims of sexual abuse involved in this lawsuit? You mentioned that, but as far as I know, this is basically about a bunch of JWs not getting background checks before working with children, which is required by Australian law.