Posts by stuckinamovement

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Is There A Nice Way To Say, 'It's Dying?'?

by metatron in

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i got into one of those extended conversations with relatives i haven't spoken to in ages.

it was full of things unsaid and careful avoidance of saying too much about the organization.

lots of nice social hypocrisy, so nobody gets upset in the fairy-tale world of watchtower-ism.. is there any discreet, tactful, inoffensive way to tell them, "the organization is dying"?

stuckinamovement

Why this religion is dying

Despite aggressive recruiting, they have little growth to show for it. 1.5 billion hours devoted to preaching with a 2.5% increase? Most of the increase coming from children that become publishers
The people within the organization are fearful and exhausted
There is literally no way for an intelligent person to effect change- obedience is the only quality valued
Donations are down- resulting in the need to liquidate assets
People are encouraged to become less prosperous, by quitting work and pioneering. This further reduces the publishers donation potential
The business model of a printing company is outmoded
There is a form of social inbreeding. Witnesses must marry Witnesses. The gene pool is very shallow, resulting in many who are single and miserable with no prospects of marrying
Married couples are discouraged from having children.
Education is demonized, which means that the next generation (non overlapping) will be stupider than the previous generation.
There is an arrogance combined with ignorance on the part of the leaders that prohibits honest admission of false doctrine and or prophecy. This will continue to propel intellectually honest ones out of the organization as they realize that the organization has lied to them.

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Are you sure leaving the JW religion has made your life better?. Lurkers think twice

by mankkeli in

on this forum, i have carefully read most of the experiences of those who left the jw religion, i have even read experiences that have dated back to 2001, i have read the different circumstances surrounding their exits and what ensued upon leaving.

for the majority, i observed they are better remainning in the religion than leaving.

what benefit is there to strain family relationship because you want to be free?, please tell me, of what value is that freedom?,.

stuckinamovement

Yeah Mrs. Jones. George is definitely pulling our leg. He took the red pill. Don't know about Mr. Man-kini, he seems like he is trying to convince hiself that his life wasn't a waste.

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Are you sure leaving the JW religion has made your life better?. Lurkers think twice

by mankkeli in

on this forum, i have carefully read most of the experiences of those who left the jw religion, i have even read experiences that have dated back to 2001, i have read the different circumstances surrounding their exits and what ensued upon leaving.

for the majority, i observed they are better remainning in the religion than leaving.

what benefit is there to strain family relationship because you want to be free?, please tell me, of what value is that freedom?,.

stuckinamovement

I am walking out of the religion because it is not the truth. I was miserable as a witness because I was expected to believe and teach things that are not true. I don't know where my fade will end up but I do know that life is too short to pretend to believe a lie. I know that when I was on stage, being forced to sell something that I wouldn't buy, that I was hating myself for being a hypocrite.

Within the organization are a group of loving genuinely nice people. That exists in the world also. You can go through your life choosing to believe a lie, that is your choice and I support it if that makes you happy. It still doesn't change the fact that the foundation of your beliefs and confidence is built on a lie.

Again, life is too short to spend your life bowing down to a group of men pretending to speak for God.

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How many double agents are there?

by logical1 in

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how many are there on this board that are also still in the society, especially acting in a position of leadership?

i think it's pretty funny they always talked about how "jehovah would root out the wickedness" yet theres people on here getting invites to "zone visits" that many other blind and faithful people weren't invited to.. .

if any of you are on your way out and have the ability to give a talk before you go, you should cratifly morph a talk into discussion about the origins of the society, by the time its obvious what you're doing you will have given 100-150 people seeds of doubt before they yank you off the stage, and the fact that they would be physically escorting you off the stage when you were simply talking about the "founder" of the society should be alarming and suspicious enough to those watching.. .

stuckinamovement

A lot. Many of us are in varying stages of a fade.

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Why on earth would WT use a FEMALE lawyer to defend it in Australia case?

by hamsterbait in

how many of us here find the use of a female to conduct the defence unusual?.

the wt religion is notoriously misogynistic.

anybody with a penis is preferable to do a non menial job.. why the change here?.

stuckinamovement

BP

My bad, Oops good point! Does the law apply to representatives of the society who provide services in victoria?

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Why on earth would WT use a FEMALE lawyer to defend it in Australia case?

by hamsterbait in

how many of us here find the use of a female to conduct the defence unusual?.

the wt religion is notoriously misogynistic.

anybody with a penis is preferable to do a non menial job.. why the change here?.

stuckinamovement

I know why they are using a female lawyer. I would bet that Mr. Toole as an Elder is himself guilty for not getting the Victoria WWC card. So the branch is sending in someone with cleaner hands.

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An Australian Teacher Comments on WWC

by compound complex in

i am a registered teacher in western australia and i have a working with children's card, as is mandatory for all who work with children in most australian states, i.e.

victoria, new south wales, queensland, and western australia.. the wwc is more strict than the national criminal history check which many employers in australia now insist on.

the wwc considers not just convictions for child-related crimes, but also allegations, acquittals and spent convictions (where one is found guilty but no penalty is imposed).

stuckinamovement

Thanks for the info CoCo. I think this case has got some real potential to be very damaging to the organization. Think about it, all seven members of the Governing Body are being criminally charged. Holy crap. I hope this gains some worldwide attention. SNAP might be a good resource in helping to publicize the case.

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Oct. 22nd Zone Meeting: Here's some facts and figures presented to ticketed-only audiences

by AndersonsInfo in

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friends

if we weren't invited, this is the "bragging" information we missed last saturday, oct. 22, 2011, at the zone meeting with tie-in from patterson, ny .

59 locations tied-in plus spanish.

anticipating 258,000 attendance from tickets given out.

stuckinamovement

Interesting. The math shows that one person was baptized for every 111 existing publishers. Out of those 10,837 baptized what do you bet that 80% were children of current publishers? Pretty terrible results in recruiting. Less than a 1% increase.

To boil it down even more...Assuming 80% baptized were kids or relatives and not from the D2d ministry that means that the past year's efforts only brought in 2,167 from the door to door work. Truly, Jehovah is speeding up the work in this time of the end?

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Could the Governing Body be done away with?

by Aussie Oz in

i posted this idea on another thread but perhaps it is worth its own discussion.. could the gb be done away with?

seriously.. they came to be, out of a troubled time.

there was much opposition as we know to the whole gb idea at the time.

stuckinamovement

Good Point Think about it.

The marked difference between 1918 and now won't stop them from making that comparison though. They would still spin it as the Government trying to stop their work in Australia by using in their way of viewing it, obscure, unfair, and inapplicable laws to restrict the work.

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Could the Governing Body be done away with?

by Aussie Oz in

i posted this idea on another thread but perhaps it is worth its own discussion.. could the gb be done away with?

seriously.. they came to be, out of a troubled time.

there was much opposition as we know to the whole gb idea at the time.

stuckinamovement

Ding is right. If they were arrested for example in the Unthank case thay will cry persecution and point to the similarities in 1918 with Rutherford and the gang.

The only way you could cause a schism is if the members of the writing committee and legal teams decided that they don't need the Governing Body anymore. In truth they probably don't. The GB is nothing more than old figureheads anyway. Legal could concievably get together with the writing dept. and decide that the blood doctrine needs to be "adjusted", that shunning is unscriptural, and adjust the policies regarding child molesters. They could in one fell swoop, elimnate many of the legal liabilities while at the same time using the Governing Body as scapegoats. Presto chango a new friendlier version of JW's.

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