Posts by megaboy

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A simple question among other things...

by megaboy in

i would like to ask a question freely to anyone, just to get a feel for those i eccounter in life and be able to meet with them through empathy.. those who spent time with this organization, did you ever feel any sense of wisdom coming from it at all?

when i mean wisdom i mean in a truly sensible manner not the illusion of it.. were there any teachings that would manifest in you respecting your self and your thoughts, as well as others, being able to detect reasonable behavior and detect teachings which promote moderate actions with others?

anything to harvest justfying thoughts are behaviors with others?

megaboy

These are interesting replies and helpful. I want to say that simply having love doesn't particularly qualify as set a part, anyone in the world can have that. A man can have love for the poor but steal from others to serve the poor. Anything can be used as a tool a person can be used as a tool.

Would anyone say that the love used in the organization was conditioned under the circumstances to manipulate people into joining? It doesn't have to be daibolical, but it can organically mutated into this manipulative process. Not particularly compassionate love, but an eagerness to display "love"? The enviornment sounds like it adds pressure, can that pressure alter how love is presented? If something has some parts of something that are good but not others does that sheild then from critical judgement looking at the whole? Is love is shown in the org under certain circunstances does it still qualify as love based on the organization itself or is it the people showing elements of that nature in man? Is love harvested there or is more like the few plants that struggled to break through the cracks in concrete?

Its something to think about when wondering if its really worth the tine even taking the organization seriously at all.

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A simple question among other things...

by megaboy in

i would like to ask a question freely to anyone, just to get a feel for those i eccounter in life and be able to meet with them through empathy.. those who spent time with this organization, did you ever feel any sense of wisdom coming from it at all?

when i mean wisdom i mean in a truly sensible manner not the illusion of it.. were there any teachings that would manifest in you respecting your self and your thoughts, as well as others, being able to detect reasonable behavior and detect teachings which promote moderate actions with others?

anything to harvest justfying thoughts are behaviors with others?

megaboy

I would like to ask a question freely to anyone, just to get a feel for those I eccounter in life and be able to meet with them through empathy.

Those who spent time with this organization, did you ever feel any sense of wisdom coming from it at all? When I mean wisdom I mean in a truly sensible manner not the illusion of it.

Were there any teachings that would manifest in you respecting your self and your thoughts, as well as others, being able to detect reasonable behavior and detect teachings which promote moderate actions with others? Anything to harvest justfying thoughts are behaviors with others? Or was it all elements that harvest a thoughts of inferiority?

How would describe the sort of breathe or energy that moved through the organization as a whole? Ignorance? Fear? Anger? Apathy? Confusion? How have these things transformed over the years.

Studying this org I think it is conceptually at its weakest point, regardless of its longevity in mere existence. One of its strenghts was the fact that its heads were behind a curtain, now that the veil is lifted, there is little room for simply being fooled or making an erroneous choice in dealing with them.

Are many people lingering hoping that the house can be fixed?

To me, if the foundation of the house is poor there is no way to salvage it, the problem is at the root, but the root is usually hidden from sight, now the root is exposed to see and evaluate, the people have a choice to make.

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Is Revelation a false prophecy; was Luke 21:8 written to discredit it; or is this a massively overlooked bible contradition?

by Island Man in

at luke 21:8 jesus is recorded as telling his disciples:.

"look out that you are not deceived; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, 'i am he', and, 'the due time has approached.

at revelation 1:1-3 we read:.

megaboy

Revelations is a book written mainly for decendants of Israel. I believe it even implies that through colorful wording early on in the piece. I believe it was written like this because if it was more blantantly obviois than it already is it would have been withheld from the public or destroyed.

It doesn't play well with European prophetic interpretations and never has, as it pretty clearly talks about the European conquest, right down to the iconicly created image of Jesus which was used as a conquest mascot. I've read many interpratations of Revelations through the eyes of decedants of Romans ancient and new and most have actually caused me to laugh out loud a bit.

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It is 5am and I still can't sleep. Contemplating life, doing research on religion, world history, science...

by Stepford Wife in

my husband is still asleep but he will get up in about an hour for work so i'm going to quickly tell you my inconclusive conclusion.

i don't know if i can believe in god anymore.

i have come to the simple conclusion that he is either dead or evil but he is definitely not loving.

megaboy

I don't think you can really blame a higher power for what people on the planet do.

I will say that the scriptures seem to imply that he has visitations. So there are periods or seasons where he leaves man to do what they will and then returns to prepare their judgement.

The western empire seems to be in its final stages and is very ripe for judgement which is why all of the pains feels so severe. But it does seem that the atrocities that came with the spread of the western empire have gone on so long it has causes some psychological effects on the populations. To recieve judgement is usually good in its time, but if a criminal has not recieved punishment for a crime and goes on long enough, it can harm them mentally and make them more dangerous. This is why I think things in these areas have become so much worse over time.

Another thing that is unfortunate is that western influences in control of media and TV are not always honest with their populations on what is going on and what is true. As I have reasearched I've found that they have known the truth about a lot of things (as recorded in their older academic journals and studies) , but used the established schools as a way to reset education and history and keep a false perception going. If the information does come out, they pretend and play it off as a new discovery. But the main priority of the empires of the planet are not God or religion or even money, their priority is simply just to not to relequish their diminion or influence over the earth. Just following in the foosteps of Nimrod or Herod.

As an example, before their influence spread out of Eruope, the Western empires population were never truly Christian, but they used it as a unification and rallying point to spread their influence through conquest. To get support from their lower class thats really all they could use, beyond propaganda and buzzword terms like liberty and freedom.

People and nationalities haven't really changed all that much throught time. Like seasons change but the elements stay constant, ages change but the workings of man stay the same.

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The mistranslation of John 8.58

by Wonderment in

john 8.58 is one of those scriptures which translators often mis-translate.. i am aware this text is defended with passion either way by its advocates.

many insist the "i am" rendering found in many versions is correct.

others defend the "i have been" or "i was" readings of other versions.

megaboy

Your personal conclusion is welcomed just as any other. But consider this:
The book Fundamentals of New Testament Greek had this to say of the use of ego eimi in John 8.58:

Though it may seem this was a personal view of mine, its actually not at all. Can't even call it a personal revelation, some of the deeper things it implies maybe but beyond that definitely not. They were teaching what I said in the 1st century church. Paul even told the people in one of the writings, he referenced Yah from a Psalm I believe and directly related it to the Messiah.

He also took the people to Moses when he was revealing himself to them, always started at Moses. And that's where a lot of the follower started with people. I'm assuming that the reason it was lost so quickly is because of the gatherings growth required them to go over base stuff over and over again and no one matured at a rapid enough pace to make sure even the deeper things were maintained and passed on.

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JWs Don't Really Believe This Scripture...

by JW_Rogue in

so the bible says this about god at rom 1:20 for his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the worlds creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and godship, so that they are inexcusable.. however, jws don't really believe this scripture to be true.

whenever something comes out about nature that they don't like they will instead say that it is due to imperfection.

animals are predatory and will kill to survive, well, that must be imperfection.

megaboy

Always first to the jew then the gentile, but god shows no favoritism? how so? if he just said in the last chapter that God gave them UP?

You are getting confused, keep in mind some of your understandings on the concept of god have been subconsciously tweaked to cultural philosophy. There is nothing wrong with favoritism as the scriptures does not teach against that. That is what gentiles would be inclined to teach of course if they had full control over the concept of god (as they do today) because they were not "chosen". What God does not do is that he does not pardon judgement based on someone's status (like some people who do evil, cheat the judicial system because they have money and they escape justice), he is fair with all men. That has nothing to do with favoritism or taking delight in one thing more than others.

It never said he gave them up (Israel), they temporarily fell so that he could restore Israel in the last days. That is what the tribe of Judah thought was going to happen in their time and why they were upset when the Master did not come as a Lion but as a Sheep more or less passive to the Roman system. The Gentiles knew this too, that is why they also tempted to kill Abraham when he had first been born, no point if his bloodline would be given up.

As far as what Paul said about nature and the qualities of God, look at precious minerals. There is gold, silver and brass. Isn't gold more appealing or favored over the other two among men? These things in nature reflect the things of God.

I just read the entire 1st chapter of romans. and what I see, is despite the claim that Jesus died so that sins would be forgiven. this is a chapter warning people in verse,5, to come under law or else.

Let me ask, would it make sense to cut yourself off from doing something in error only to go back to doing it again? To Be forgiven for something is not an immunity towards future willing transgressions.

Also when Paul teaches about the law he is talking about the "law of righteousness", not the law Moses. The law of Moses contained the law of righteousness in it and some allegorical practices but the laws of Moses can not determine righteousness in and of itself and was not made for a righteous man, they were made for men who need to be told not to do something over and over. The laws of Moses were training wheels and a veil to glory, something better.

This is why I loath these damnable religions, they prevent men from receiving the spirit of understanding.

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Are Magicians Spawns of Satan the Devil?

by Cold Steel in

i was perusing the internet not long ago and came upon this series of videos by a guy calling himself xendrius.

it declares that many of today's best magicians are in league with the devil.

his claims are based on his observation that the tricks would be impossible to do unless the magicians had made unholy pacts with the devil.. so what's the take of the wtbts?

megaboy

To be honest, sorcery and witchcraft is basically high level drug use, only it was focused directly on channeling demons and spirits in the past, or making charms. Now I assume people get drugged up and just become more vulnerable to them. Most likely why celebrities who do drugs come off as totally insane on occasion.

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The Lion Awakes

by eric hendrickson in

my name is eric hendrickson.

i have been on a journey led by the holy spirit which has brought to this point that has allowed for me to open the seventh seal and understand god's master plan.

i am the lion from the lost tribe of judah who has come to the world and be the messiah king.

megaboy

Aren't you suppose to be on a mountain somewhere judging gentiles?

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What's the status of this org financially?

by megaboy in

soooo... i think the main strength of this group is having the finances to keep this con game going.

i'm hoping that the pedophilia cases are draining them dry so we can be rid of this stumbling block from an organizational stand point.

how is the constant surge of bad news getting out on them effecting the everyday person in this organization?

megaboy

Soooo... I think the main strength of this group is having the finances to keep this con game going. I'm hoping that the pedophilia cases are draining them dry so we can be rid of this stumbling block from an organizational stand point. How is the constant surge of bad news getting out on them effecting the everyday person in this organization? I'm not sure how one could stay in at this point. It's no better than the other churches they criticize, from where I'm standing at least.

I had discussions with some of them and it seems that (or I get the impression that) even if they have been duped they fear they have no where to go and that there MUST be some kind of an official regulated organization. I guess to them it is far better to drink from a poison flask in a mold ridden house, than to become a vagabond, searching for locations with that pure drink.

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The mistranslation of John 8.58

by Wonderment in

john 8.58 is one of those scriptures which translators often mis-translate.. i am aware this text is defended with passion either way by its advocates.

many insist the "i am" rendering found in many versions is correct.

others defend the "i have been" or "i was" readings of other versions.

megaboy

He was saying that he was Yah, which was not the same person as YHWH. Yah translates to 'I AM', that's why they were going to stone him. Many hebrews thought Yah and YHWH were the same person only thinking the former was a shortening of the name. Obviously things were not kept in perfect condition through all of those captivities. This is also why there are many "gods", god is not a word which designates the rank, but more of the description of an influence (which is why demons were considered gods). If you read through the OT carefully, it is impossible for the trinity to exist without major contradictions. There was a God Moses was able to actually see (the Son) and a God that he could only see the backside of (which was the Father).