Posts by bnybyt

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Fitchburg; Leominster Mass

by bobfleur in

any one here from fitchburg mass area?

i'm hoping to pm or email with any active or ex witnesses from area.

bob.

Jesus or Hesus?

by Band on the Run in

this is a trivial concern but perhaps people here know the answer.

northern european countries never named their children jesus.

it would be considered gauche and heretical.

bnybyt

Correctamente Villabolo,

Jesus and Joshua are the same name in Hebrew.

They both mean Jehovah is Salvation.

In Spanish naming someone Jesus is like naming someone Joshua in English. Another spelling is Josue in Spanish.

It's kind of perplexing for English folks to see someone named Jesus, but that's because they might not know the etymology of the word, the changes throughout the centuries, and through cultures, that it's been passed down to modern languages.

As a matter of fact there's all kinds of names that when you look at their etymology it may surprise you.

Look at Santiago, Yago, Diego, Jacobo, Jaime all of them can mean James, in English, which in turn comes from Jacob through French.

UKIIQT

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Stephen Lett (of GB) in Brazil!

by ZionsWatchTower in

i could record a speech by stephen lett (of governing body) here in brazil:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdaz8cb0uck.

.

bnybyt

Insulting, he sounds very condescending, is he by any chance the editor for the new simple English WT edition?

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Another Self-Serving F&DS Article

by serenitynow! in

i don't know why i keep reading this crap.

the april 15, 2011 kool-aid edition has an article entitled: do you discern the evidence of gods guidance?

the article starts out with how the isrealites followed the "pillar of cloud and fire" which was evidence of god's guidance until they got to the "promised land.

bnybyt

Maybe a rename of the WT mags is in order... something like:

"The WATCHTOWER: Announcing the Governing Body over all the Lord's Belongings".

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Jonny, the WTB&TS, and hacking

by MeanMrMustard in

jw
friends

this is my first thread at jwn.

i have posted only a few times on other threads.

i am a third generation jw turned ex-jw, inactive for six years.

bnybyt

It's little trouble to reset the IP on your router.

There are instructions on how to do this or you can call your service

provider and ask to be led step by step in how to do this.

It could be a pain to do it every time you send spam to an

active JW with a copy of the new elders book attached as a pdf,

but hey every good thing is worth a little effort :-)))

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"The Return of Jonny the Bethelite"

by koolaid-man in

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the conference call from saturday night went great; with returning guest "jonny the bethelite".

he is making quite a stir on the conference call!.

if you missed it, the call is up on the site.. we also have a newer, simpler and user friendly site.

bnybyt

I downloaded the conversation and writing down some notes on thaw Johnny says:

Johnny starts talking at (10:00) ten hours into the conversation.

Johnny comes in asking for Rick and says he's being followed.

Admits elders are after him, says they won't let him leave, says they

have no idea it was him on the recording which was played back and

he listened to his own voice.

The other callers keep interrupting him especially the lady, very annoying.

Says a lot of sisters, the untouchable sisters have been throwing themselves

at Johnny inviting him to nightclubs.

Elders told him they would scrutinize his family if he leaves Bethel.

They're going to see if they can dig anything up against his brother and father.

The GB member told him to his face "we can't let you leave knowing what you've done"

He says he's being followed. That nobody in the IT dept. can leave.

Those who are called lost boys are ones who don't have anywhere to go other than Bethel.

He has gone 8 blocks out of his way to have privacy.

From where he is he'd be able to see a Bethelite coming a half a mile away. he's in a very residential area.

he left his dorm exactly at 2am. That's around the time when he can get out.

At a restaurant called Z's Asian restaurant undercover bethelites sit next to him.

Asks to be forgiven, because he doesn't know who's coming through the door and is spooked.

He believes that if he tells his parents they'll tell him to take Jehovah's side

instead and wont listen to him.

He claims that they silenced Bro Barr and Bro Barber before they passed away.

He says that his father and brother are clean and they cant get anything on him.

The lady is still interrupting and being annoying.

Johnny says if they really want you they don't have to have any proof, it could be anything,

like if they say Hey you stepped on my toe so you're Disfellowshipped.

He thinks if his brother and father found out they'd be emotionally devastated.

He thinks that after all ashes fall and everything settles down his father and brother would listen.

Johnny says he grew up in the Truth then left it then came back in.

He says he just about had it and almost punched the GB member who

threatened his family with DFing.

Says there was an idea back in the seventies in the time of brother FRAWNZ (as he pronounces it)

about publishing information surreptitiously to tell those at Bethel about the things going on in the WT.

He's had a conversation, since he's one of the heads of IT Tech, he had a conversation

with one of the highest ranking at Bethel that told him he can't leave and if he tried they will discredit him.

Saying that he's disgruntled. He wants to go out clean. But all these sisters are being thrown at him.

He just plans to continue with his routine and his stupid smile.

Dale (JWundergroundrailroad.org) is trying to help people to come out from branches etc.

Johnny doesn't allow any of these conversations to be on his bethel phone.

and basically his problem is that he needs to buy minutes for his phone.

Dale offers to buy him a phone card or minutes for Johnny's phone.

Johnny says you can buy an ATT card and give him the code to use

on his prepaid ATT phone. Rick has his email and his fake Facebook account.

His original job  at bethel.  was to befriend other JWs on Facebook and spy on them.

He's hitting bottom though, having a rough time. He says he's only slept two hours per week.

When he commented at morning worship he doesn't know if he even made any sense.

Everyone is noticing more and more at Bethel that its more and more about money.

And everyone is noticing that it's not about Jesus and Jehovah Organization

but about the Watchtower Organization.

He says if you've read the new songbook(s) that Jehovah's Organization has

been replaced with the Watchtower Organization...

Dale asks him to repeat that... He says "The songbooks... if you read a lot of the songs,

Jesus and Jehovah Organization has been replaced with the Watchtower Organization.

[pause] if you read the songs they've been changed, not Jehovah's Organization

or Jesus's but [in whispery voice] the Watchtower."

Lady now changes conversation and asks now isn't the WT and the GB separate.

Johnny says well no, it's now just more compartmentalized.

That now there's ATMs in assembly halls for donations. And that's sickening to him.

And every letter that comes from the Body is give what you can, just give what you can.

Mentions a recent letter about giving your life insurance or willing things to the WT.

Dale asks about Johnny's physical and mental health. Can Johnny get medical leave?

Johnny says yes and no. That they would be suspecious, and that he has some

time coming up and that's his time to make a choice.

Says that there was a head of the waiter crew who took a knife to another brother,

that he knows this brother from when he was a kid. That they thought this brother

was an apostate because he would have get togethers at his room to discuss bible

books like James, and when discussing the flock book they'd quickly change the subject (10:26).

Some are worried because pioneers are using their pioneer book like it was some magical book.

That's all I can listen to for now...

I'll try to listen to more tomorrow.

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Born Ins vs Converts

by Red Piller in

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first of all, let me say that i do think this excuse of a religion is on a downward spiral, which will only accelerate.. as a born in, i always read comments here about how dedicated and hard-line we are.

most of the born ins (who stayed) develop a casual attitude toward everything.

even if you believe it, hearing about armageddon, constantly, doesn't excite you as much when it's the 1,000th time you've heard it.

bnybyt

There is nowhere else to turn to except Jesus Christ

Thanks for your witness ABM.

Amen!

I converted to the JW religion, one thing I could see about born ins who stay in was that they were very fanatically pro Governing Body yet they liked to do things their own way. My experience as an elder with several born in elders in the BOE was proof enough that the JW religion is a non-Catholic but very Jesuit minded cult. (BTW Jesuits also call their top tier in the hierarchy a "Governing Body").

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The Blood muddle

by leo999 in

i could do with some help to sort out this fraction muddle .we are inactive and of the conscious class , but trying to help others see the 'light' in whatever ways we can .. a couple of years ago , i asked an elder about the fractions , questioning particularly the 33% hemoglobin allowed in the 06 km insert .

when i was a wee girl growing up , nothing of any part was allowed and we were fanatical to even write manufacturers and question their ingredients !!.

i would like to have a list of allowable fractions according to the societies current light , and also what fractions are not allowed .

bnybyt

Whole blood is allowed to be put back into the body if it's only in small quantities that have been treated with radioactive markers.

So that when you get a nuke CT scan they can trace the blood flow. The WT says "some brothers" may not object in their consciences to such treatments.

So if whole blood is ok to be put back into the body after having been taken out and sent to the lab for nuking then reintroducing it into the body... How can it be different than whole blood transfusions?

Sounds to me like the Passing Governing body had been growing older and in need of medical treatments that needed such therapies and so the rules were changed. Now that the GB is not so much made up of folks in their 80s and 90s there is likely little empathy for those who might need blood treatments, until that is in a couple or more decades the current GB feels the need for such therapies themselves.

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No JW's w/ post-graduate degree in Biblical Greek/Hebrew?

by InterestedOne in

does anyone here have info regarding the validity/invalidity of the following statement i read while browsing:.

"as far as we have been able to determine, no baptized jehovahs witness has ever been awarded a post-graduate academic degree by an accredited institution in the field of biblical greek or hebrew.

this is rather startling in a religious sect of approximately six million people who pride themselves on being zealous students of the bible.

bnybyt

Bungi bill, Tok Pisin is a creole / dialect of English, I wouldn't place it on par with translating from English to Ancient Hebrew or Koine Greek.

I don't want to stand up for the WT$ in any way by saying that, but I think there are difficulties in translation which these ancient languages pose that can't be compared with modern languages or creoles.

That said... In one of the WT videos there's a brother in the translation department answering a question about "kingdom" using the Hebrew word, and you'll notice, if you check, that he's using the modern Hebrew pronunciation.

B'nay-Bayit

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Crisis of Confidence

by bnybyt in

the new awake!

for oct. 2010 has articles on trust.. one article is amusingly entitled:.

"a widespread crisis of confidence".

bnybyt

You can now get the articles at www.jw.org as mp3 files.