Posts by hopeful4eva

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At a loss what to do RE: JW family and my kids

by 2pink in

jw
friends

i have 2 small kids, ages 4 and 5 yrs and one on the way (via adoption!).

my husband and i faded/suddenly disappeared last fall, never to go back to meetings.

we outed ourselves and told our super hardcore parents/family members that we didn't believe it anymore, were choosing a different path etc.

hopeful4eva

I totally understand what you are going through 2Pink!! Although my daughter was not raised inside the world of JW's...she still sufferes the same.

My parent's are both extreemly active, and shun me obviously, as I am Da'd. Having said that the few times they see my daughter who is almost 9 they do nothing but preach at her.

They had her the other day, and she came home talking about the end of the world...when she first told me what has been discussed I freaked on her, (not her fault I know, but I was just ticked because they can't be asked seeing her any other time, and when they do they scare the crap out of her).

When I calmed down I went to her, and told her why it is that we don't go over to her grandparents house, why they don't talk to me, and why the whole relationship is a mess!! At 8, she said to me, "Mom, thats blackmail!"

I know your children are younger, but they can comprehend so much!! If you decide to let them visit their grandparents (unsupervised), all you can do is talk with them and find out what they are saying to them and work from there...if they are going to "run" you down to your children...well then there would be NO way I would allow the grandparents to continue contact with the children!

Your children will see through their tactics as they grow up, and make their own decisions based on their grandaparents actions, as long as you are open and honest with them!!

I truly hate all the "conditions"!

H4E

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a childs point of view of shunning

by looloo in

i was having a casual chat with my little girl of 6 last night ansd she said she loved her cousins (her disfellowshipped aunties girls ) then she said we also have some other familie that we have not seen for ages havnt we (i thought she had forgot them ) i said well thats because they belong to a silly religion that wont let them see us (her daddy is disfellowshipped ) she replied oh well lets go and see them instead then !

how do i handle that ?.

hopeful4eva

My daughter is 8, and as I da'd myself at 16years old (now 33), she has no knowledge from me of the JW world...but she has knowledge from my mom, my step father and my grandmother.

My mother and step father do not bother with my daughter really (see her once every 2-3 month), and they live in the same city. And of course this is ALL my fault (glad that excuse works for them), and to be honest as much as it bothers my daughter as to why we can not just stop by "Nana's", I am okay with it. The last time they saw her they made sure to give her a bible, and when they take her back to their place they speak with her all Jehovah and "the end". Which pisses me off because I know 1st hand the fear of thinking that you are going to die because your not JW or good enough.

My daughter loves them all (as much as she can for not really knowing them), but doesn't understand why they do not speak to me (unless it suits them), and all I can tell her is that it doesn't matter what they do to me...but that I will NEVER EVER do that to her. I don't think there is anything that can be said to children to make them understand...and their little heads( that absorb information like a sponge)shouldn't even be burdened with such crap in my opinion.

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Helen Keller and the horned hand or mano cornuto

by Weeping in

jw
friends

the "el diablo" hand sign often is con-fused with the deaf hand signal of the phrase, "i love you.

" while at first this appears an odd resemblance, we register an "ahh, i get it!

" emotion when we discover that the person who invented, or created, the hand sign system for the deaf, helen keller, was herself an occultist.

hopeful4eva

http://www.judeministries.org/cults/swedenborgianism.htm

http://www.times.com/books/98/08/30/specials/keller-religion.html

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Helen Keller and the horned hand or mano cornuto

by Weeping in

jw
friends

the "el diablo" hand sign often is con-fused with the deaf hand signal of the phrase, "i love you.

" while at first this appears an odd resemblance, we register an "ahh, i get it!

" emotion when we discover that the person who invented, or created, the hand sign system for the deaf, helen keller, was herself an occultist.

hopeful4eva

Just did some research, she was into swedenborgism.Swedenborgism is a mixture of New Age, Mind Science, and the mystical. Read more: http://meta-religion.com/New_religious_groups/Groups/Christian/swedenborgism.htm#ixzz0l6kDR72w

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Helen Keller and the horned hand or mano cornuto

by Weeping in

jw
friends

the "el diablo" hand sign often is con-fused with the deaf hand signal of the phrase, "i love you.

" while at first this appears an odd resemblance, we register an "ahh, i get it!

" emotion when we discover that the person who invented, or created, the hand sign system for the deaf, helen keller, was herself an occultist.

hopeful4eva

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Do any of you still believe in 'Hellfire'? heh

by theMadJW in

that they (trinity) are burning billions alive...forever?

with worms that live forever gnawing on them?.

hopeful4eva

Oh My GAWD!! I am going back to the JW's ...theMadJW has reformed me!! I see the error of my ways!!! You are such a loving Person I have no doubt... you must in high standing with your KH of LOVING people. I am sure Jehovah is so happy that you have come on this site to JUDGE us all and tell us how wrong we all are. Bless you!!! You are the best Witness a person could ask for...you have touched us. May you not be judged as you judge us.

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OKKKAAAAYY Now I get it! Another JW Belief Screwing W/My Life "Date To Marry"

by Confuzzled in

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friends

i have a convaluted relationship w/my jw for-lack-of-a-better-word-bf.

we have a bizarre relationship.

i am not his gf but must act accordingly.

hopeful4eva

I knew a guy who was baptized, and got "wordly" girl pregnant. When he got put in front of the JC and they told him, he would not be DF'd if he broke all ties with the girl and their baby. He told me once, he told them that was not going to happen. So he married the girl, got DF'd...years pass he goes "crazy" literally... and in now back in the JW's.

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Newbie: Roll Call ---- Oldies Returning: Roll Call

by cameo-d in

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friends

i have noticed a lot of newbies lately.

(i also noticed that after being absent for a year happy1975 is making a return visit.).

so, if you are a brand spanking newbie, post here and tell us a little about your interests, your state, your new direction in life, your favorite things, whatever you want to say---this is your thread.. .

hopeful4eva

Wannabefree:

I had to tell you I KNOW what you are talking about. I know there are lots on this board (from what I have read) that now no longer believe in God, and I too felt that way for a long time. But after "Freaking out" last year I prayed constantly(something I had not done in years), just asking to be lead to where he wanted me. I was dumbfounded for what seemed like forever. I would get conflicting answers...one side would point to JW's and the other to God...no religion just God. Then it just clicked...God doesn't care what religion you are just as long as you path is to him...how ever you get there is between him and you.

And as far as I am concerned even if there is no God...I would rather live in hope(thus my screen name), but thats just me lol!!

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Newbie: Roll Call ---- Oldies Returning: Roll Call

by cameo-d in

jw
friends

i have noticed a lot of newbies lately.

(i also noticed that after being absent for a year happy1975 is making a return visit.).

so, if you are a brand spanking newbie, post here and tell us a little about your interests, your state, your new direction in life, your favorite things, whatever you want to say---this is your thread.. .

hopeful4eva

Thanks troubled mind!! Its not about sharing anymore...maybe at one time it might have been. Its more a stance I am thinking of taking. There is only so much crap you can blame on someone else before you must be accountable for your own actions.

My daughter has done nothing wrong to my parents or the Borg. Nor does she know much about it, other then her grandparents on one side don't give her presents on holidays. And yet I get the blame for them not seeing her. We live in the same City, as a matter of fact at one point they lived 2 streets away from her school and still never bothered. I am not doing it to get her out, I mean if she is Happy and I mean truly HAPPy as she SAYS she is...then I want her to be where she is happy. I will however make my point clear to her as to my opinion (you know seeing as how she likes to ram the WTS opinion down my throat). And I can't help but feel if she comes back as me saying I am apostate, it might be better having no contact then the on again off again kind. But then maybe I won't know that pain until I am there??

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Newbie: Roll Call ---- Oldies Returning: Roll Call

by cameo-d in

jw
friends

i have noticed a lot of newbies lately.

(i also noticed that after being absent for a year happy1975 is making a return visit.).

so, if you are a brand spanking newbie, post here and tell us a little about your interests, your state, your new direction in life, your favorite things, whatever you want to say---this is your thread.. .

hopeful4eva

I am new here aswell been "lurking" for about a month. I can't tell you all how much I enjoy the discussions, and how it had calmed me!! Thank you all!!

I left about 16 years old. My mother started studying when I was 12. At 12 I thought it was so cool (obviously too young and not enough lessons in life to make an informed decision). I was considered still "wordly" by all the other parents and youth so I found myself in a religion where I could not play or hang out with other kids my age from school, and the kids my age in the hall were already in their "clicks". At 14 I decided that if I wanted to be accepted by the youth then I would get baptized...which I did. Being baptized sure did not help with any acceptance let me tell you. Instead now I was being scrutinized by them.

So at 16 I rebelled HUGE. My step father by then was a MS, and of course I was not allowed to just leave. After numerous meeting with the elders that seemed never ending, I finally decided that I was not going to meet with them ever again and I told them I wanted my name announced at the next meeting. I moved in with my biological father and went "off the rails".

I am now 32 and I have a daughter who is 8. My step father is now an Elder. If I should talk to my mom (who I love dearly) I always get the "----you know its the truth, how can you allow you daughter to die at Armagedon" crap. Last year I had a melt down...I seriously was paralyized with fear, about Armegedon.

As my mom, step dad and grandmother have very little to do with me, I get the blame on how they have no relationship with their grand daughter. I get the "If we had only completely quit talking to you, you would have come back by now", and to this I can only answer, "to do it for you? ", and they seem to think thats exactly who I should do it for...for them!!

I have found my way. I am happy now and at peace with Jehovah, all in my own way. I struggle with "unconditional love", I seem to not feel that I am worthy of it.

As for these wonderful youth that were so ready to judge and point fingers. Well, they have had affairs and been DF, they have gotten married and now divorced (not scriptually either) or they have been diagnosed Bi Polar, or they have been in and out so many times I can't keep track.

I decided this weekend gone, that if my mom starts on me again, I am going to tell her exactly what I think of the Borg. I mean I can not cope any more with the on again off again communication. The conversations about the END, the guilt put on my for my leaving. I am tired of crying those tears for days on end, and thinking that this time my mom just might not speak to me again. So now I will hold the cards. If she doesn't ever speak to me again I will understand it is her brain washed idea's, that in her heart she loves me. I just can not take the emotional black mail anymore.