Posts by PublishingCult

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To the mentally disturbed on JWN

by undercover in

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actually i thought about making a thread called, "to the rational and non-delusional of jwn" but realized it wouldn't get too many hits, so instead i've created a thread for all those conspiracy theorists, doomsday sayers, christ complexers and the just plain ole batshit nuts.. this thread is for you....

PublishingCult

There is a family of wretched hillbilly's who come in at closing with giant trashbags filled with moldy, water damaged books and magazines that looks like they were pulled out of a blighted attic. The Big Momma has a loose fitting house dress that barely covers her enormous chesticles and she leans on the counter with pendulous grace watching whoever is doing the bookbuy. (We buy from the public, you see...) It takes forever to inspect this garbage, of course because there are hundreds of pieces involved! Her son is a giant of a boy like Baby Huey who is very gentle and polite in his overalls and hand-me-down shoes. Her husband carries a Folger's coffee can to spit chewing tobacco in while they all just stand there like statues staring!

Wouldn't it be delightful if they were actually reading all the books before bringing them in to sell?

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Atheists believe in nonsense too.

by NomadSoul in

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yeah i'll admit that i think people who think they talk to god or believe in a superpower is freaking nuts!.

but i'm a freaking nut too.

i seriously believe that there must be alien life out there!

PublishingCult

He explained the way they should be. But people still look to the OT over Christ. Some might do it to mislead, and some might just be misled because its 'in the bible'. But if they tested everything against Christ... well, I think we might see a different Christianity.

Isn't Jesus ALSO the god of the OT?

Like the artist formerly known as , isn't Jesus the god formerly known as ?

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David and Goliath TRUE OR FALSE

by jam in

few other legends are so well known, or read so often, and yet remain.

so poorly understood.

if you read the account in 1st and 2nd.

PublishingCult

What I have never been able to understand though is why are jewish persons or nation as a hole not held up to the same scrutiny or criticism as any other nation. Its seems that no matter what you say true or not about jews people are tarred with being anti semetic.

Depends on what your criticism pertains to.

We do not hold the descendents of the Ottoman Turks accountable for the atrocities of their ancestors, and likewise we do not hold Jews accountable for what their ancestors did, and neither do we say, "boy, they sure had that coming to them" when the Nazis tried to eradicate them. Bad form.

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Brenda Lee's Powerful Youtube Video, What do you think about it?

by Scott77 in

after publishing her best seller book,outofthecocoon, brenda lee is back again, this time with a powerful, eye-catchting youtube video on wts.

what is your reaction after viewing it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfdirpdbqgw&feature=related.

PublishingCult

LOL, actually, i thought the JW sister was pretty funny. I knew a few sisters she might have been mimmicking.

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David and Goliath TRUE OR FALSE

by jam in

few other legends are so well known, or read so often, and yet remain.

so poorly understood.

if you read the account in 1st and 2nd.

PublishingCult

This man David according to the jews was a great warrior. I have never met a jewish man who could fight for S**t and Davids his progeny all meekly went to the gas chambers allowing thier wives and children to be raped and murdered by the nazis .How many fought and lost their lives to protect thier families? Oh and then spent the next 60 years feeling sorry for themselves.

Actually, from a military viewpoint, the ancient Israelites were bad-ass, highly strategic, ruthless and merciless. Some scholars have reason to conclude that the Hebrews were not slaves of Egypt, but secular workers contracted for state building projects, and before that, going back to Abraham, highly skilled nomadic mercenaries.

The Bible shows that the Israelites' exodus from Egypt found them raiding and overtaking the towns at night for supplies in order to survive in the desert- this being the actual reason why Pharaoh became pissed off and chased them. The Israelites had stolen all of his shit.

The pillar of fire by night and the pillar of smoke by day that lead the Israelites was actually two kinds of Egyptian military torches, NOT Yahweh. Both torches were held high on long poles and carried in front of the vast number of Hebrews plodding across the desert. The daytime pillar of smoke was a torch with a brazier cap that created thick smoke the people could see and follow in the daytime.

The incident at the red sea most likely happened this way: Instead of heading directly to the sea of reeds, Moses lead the Israelites in a south-westerly direction away from the sea of reeds to meet pharaoh head on. It was night when the two armies met, the backs of the Israelites to the sea, the military torch positioned between the Egyptians and the Israelites. It's isn't that the Egyptians were being kept back by a mere torch, but it was dark, and in such darkness looking into a light of any kind affected your vision for up to 30 minutes. To attack the Israelites with this type of blindness would be suicide, so Pharaoh had to wait until dawn to commence the attack.

Moses had spent a long time in this desert and knew the terrain and the tide tables. Not being able to see past the torch, the Egyptians could not see that the Israelites were crossing the SHALLOWEST part of the sea of reeds during low tide, at which time the bed of this portion the sea was all but dry. It was low-tide that parted the sea, and again, NOT Yahweh, and while Pharaoh waited blind in the darkness to attack at dawn, the Israelites made their escape.

Thus, we have rational explanations for these supposed miracles and acts of God blown way out of porportion in order to create myth and legend so many today actually take literally and as truth. They embellished and gave credit to their imaginary god to strike fear in other nations and for street cred.

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How do we encourage the science of homosexuality?

by sabastious in

at one point in my life i chose to stop listening to my religion's advice to not research outside of their framework.

about the time i made that decision was when the gay marriage debate was going very strong; and still is to this day.

back then i felt like my state of california was leading the front on it to stop the bigotry and oppression once and for all.. it was a hot topic for me because i was questioning the bible and my faith so i started researching the science of homosexulality.

PublishingCult

I have nothing against homosexuality but I think its clearly not "natural" in a Darwinian sense. It doesn't allow for reproduction, and therefore has no longterm surivial value (in fact it has negative survival value).

In honor of the SAT's, homosexuals are to humanity as ornamental fruit trees are to gardening. :) Most homosexuals are perfectly capable of procreation and I am very certain of a couple of things: we shall never find our numbers diminished to two men, and if the survival of the human race depended on one gay man and one lesbian, I am quite certain Darwin would get his deserved 'wink and a nod" from the couple just before the procreating proceeded.

A religious person against it would say, "we are in a fallen state of sin, and that is a manifestation of sin that must be conquered. Some people may well be biologically inclined to be murderers or have trouble mentally in some other way with psychosis, personality disorders, kleptomania, etc. If you're a kleptomanic christian you can't be stealing and if you're predisposed to be a gay christian you can't be gay."

Ha, what you write above reminds me of the Live Forever book's illustration about how a theif is not born a theif, and therefore nobody is born homosexual. If it is learned behavior, from where do children learn such behavior being born of heterosexual parents, raised with a view to GI Joes, and the love of women, and having never been compelled or influenced by a single human being to act homosexually, but only by their quite innate attraction toward the same sex? I have had this very discussion with a pastor. I asked him to present Scriptural support for his assertion that the human tendency toward homosexuality was a result of imperfection and sin, and something we should resist. He could not. I suggested he might be putting words into God's mouth and calling into question God's creation and the diversity with which he created it. He agreed.

So science won't get beyond intolerance, sorry.

I hope this is not the case.

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Atheists believe in nonsense too.

by NomadSoul in

jw
friends

yeah i'll admit that i think people who think they talk to god or believe in a superpower is freaking nuts!.

but i'm a freaking nut too.

i seriously believe that there must be alien life out there!

PublishingCult

I just finished reading some of the most hateful, hateful, hateful comments in my entire life. Many of them were made by religious people; some of them I have no idea. But all were directed against muslim people. I just want to cry. I think I might. It isn't Christ or God who promote that kind of hatred. Its people.

Don't you love the irony? It really is people, you know? It has always been people. Just think! I mean really really think about this. The omnipotent and omniscient invisible almighty god, creator of the heavens and the earth, creator of the entire universe must have men write books for him, speak for him, act for him. Today, if we are good Christians and really try and follow the way Jesus spoke of as recorded by men, we want to consciously stand apart from the false Christians who commit atrocious acts in God’s name, don’t we? We know that a god whose attributes are a perfect balance of love, power, justice and wisdom would never ever consent or approve of his followers hating, bigoting, murdering, genociding, raping, etc.. God is love, by God!

And from the Bible it is that we get the story of and the foundation for our Christian faith. The faith, morality and hope the Christian holds entirely dear comes from this book. Yet, in this book, we find God directing his people to commit the very crimes of hate and genocide, and in His name, we are suppose to abhor as evil and wicked. The very atrocities, no less, modern day Christians still try to emulate. For you see, the very nature and origin of Christianity has for its foundation, the recorded history of mere men doing injury to other men in the name of a god who must be spoken for, who cannot speak for himself, nor write for himself, nor can he seem to intervene and protect his coerced followers from a wicked being, Satan, He himself created in the first place.

Would you allow a friend or even your child who has run amuck to remain in your house cursing, accusing, lying, stealing, harming, hurting and murdering precious other family members? What kind of person would allow such a thing if it were in their power to stop it? Would you say, “hold on, hold on, I have a point to make here. Before I do anything here, I just want to make sure that everyone under this roof understands who has the power to put an end to this insanity. And just to make sure you all get that I am one who you should be grateful to, I am going let the lunatic run rampant in the house for a time juuuuuuuust to make sure you all give me proper respect and adoration as I of course demand and deserve. I also just wanna see whether you are going to take up with this enemy of mine.”

Wouldn't exercising your power to stop the insanity prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to all that you are the Mofo with the power? That you have higher values, morals, superior love and a sense of justice and wisdom befitting the almighty?

“But the lunatic will kill us if you do not do something”, they rationally protest.

“Not to worry!”, you assure them. “I have a special home just for you if he does kill you, but if you should ever take sides with him, and if you should die, you won’t get to come to my special after-death home for my until-death-loyals”.

Who in their right mind would think that you were in your right mind?

Ah, but my dear Tammy, do not cry. God is just. The men who invented Him said so in the Bible, and the men who assume authority to speak for him today say so as well. This must be so, therefore.

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Atheists believe in nonsense too.

by NomadSoul in

jw
friends

yeah i'll admit that i think people who think they talk to god or believe in a superpower is freaking nuts!.

but i'm a freaking nut too.

i seriously believe that there must be alien life out there!

PublishingCult

Basically, I'm just saying that if you were to give atheists more numbers and more power, then they might not be so tolerant of what they consider harmful and irrational and ignorant and dangerous. Those among them who have hatred and murder within them will tend to act out in a way that reflects that... just as those among religion with hatred and murder tend to act out in a way that reflects that.

I think violence and the destruction of a human life is only justified in the case of self-defense.

As we have seen, supposed acts of God have been atrocities committed at the hands of mere men and nothing more. So impotent has any god ever proven to be that all action, good or evil, has been left to mortal man in his feckless behalf. He writes a book, then checks out like a high school senior after finals. Indeed. If it should ever come to the point of which you speculate, then we shall have a sort of poetic justice.

I think we are both, in this instance, educated and experienced enough to understand that Statism must also be eradicated. I would stand next to and defend the peaceful Christian who objects to violence, coercion and murder to accomplish an end, and who also abstains from such. Then I would warmly and fervently argue my case for atheism with him.

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Atheists believe in nonsense too.

by NomadSoul in

jw
friends

yeah i'll admit that i think people who think they talk to god or believe in a superpower is freaking nuts!.

but i'm a freaking nut too.

i seriously believe that there must be alien life out there!

PublishingCult

You can't say that there aren't atheists out there who don't wish that religion could just be wiped off the face of the planet, along with believers. (just listen to some videos and read some comments) Starting of course with the extremists, but movements catch on and, well, before you know it you're in a place unrecognizable from where you began.

I know not of which videos and statements you refer to, and I would appreciate a link or reference so that I might review the source of your assertion with an open mind, if it please you.

I suppose I would be a hypocrite to say that I wouldn't drive a stake through the heart of a believer who attempted to do harm to me or mine because I am not a believer; wipe them off the face of the earth as you say. We call this self-defense. I would do my utmost, on the same hand, to intercept and stay the atheist hand plunging a stake into the heart of another for choosing to have a religion. Of course atheists yearn to see the day religion and its irrational belief systems are eradicated, but to whom do you refer specifically when you say that "they" also wish to see believers themselves wiped off the face of the planet? How extreme! Logic and rational thought would seem to dictate that once the irrational belief system and its use as justification for atrocity has been properly relegated to myth, legend, and superstition, and placed on the shelf along side of The Iliad, there would be no need to take a life in addition to enlightening the individual. I would think you must be referring to the religious who viciously and wantonly use their irrational beliefs in a deity to justify hatred and murder and refuse to give way to sanity like some rabid dog diseased of body and mind bent on harming even its loving master. That kind of dog surely must suffer the fate of Old Yeller. We simply cannot have rabid unreasonable dogs killing the innocent in the name of their religion, now can we?

We have all come out of the organization of JW's thinking we know full-well what constitutes a "true Christian", and how we conveniently and piously step to one side and disassociate ourselves from those kinds of false Christians. But, I am afraid that all the shunning of such conduct, the talk of love and forgiveness, of peace and heaven, and hope and redemption and charity and do unto others cannot cover even an ounce of the sin, evil, bloodshed, genocide, rape, child molestation, human sacrifice, misogyny, and corruption the religion and its morality is actually, factually, and historically based upon which goes way way way back to its inception.

But we are also getting into matters of State. We understand, because we are not children, that the State will use whatever means necessary to control the masses. Heads of state are historically, all of them, eugenicists, and they will use any pretext to depopulate and dominate.

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Atheists believe in nonsense too.

by NomadSoul in

jw
friends

yeah i'll admit that i think people who think they talk to god or believe in a superpower is freaking nuts!.

but i'm a freaking nut too.

i seriously believe that there must be alien life out there!

PublishingCult

To james_woods, tec and aguest. I apologize for not getting back to you sooner, but life you know! I'm expecting a baby to arrive in the family soon and I've been making a quilt.

Now, about this business regarding the apalling reversal of atrocities.

If you are going to point to the appalling reversals, we simply must make the truest of distinctions, and not use such rare reversals as an excuse or distraction. I would confirm that Nazi belt buckles, for example, inscribed with “Gott mit uns” isn’t proof that Nazi’s were Christians.

There must be a difference between an atheist who does commit atrocities and one who doesn't, and since that difference is not a lack of belief in God, the difference must be in their positive beliefs or their values, irrespective of their shared disbelief in God. And if belief in God does not cause people to not commit atrocities, then a lack of belief in God couldn't be said to be the cause of someone committing them.

There is nothing about atheism that would provide a causal link between atheism and any action. There is a screaming arm-waving direct causal link between religion and action.

The bottom line is very simple. Individual atheists may do evil things but they don't do evil things in the name of atheism. Christians and Christianity, on the other hand, have a much larger and longer history of doing evil things, and have done them all MAINLY and MOSTLY in the name of Christianity and God.

What matters is not whether Stalin, Hitler, Chairman Mao, and Pol Pot were atheists, but whether atheism systematically influences people to do bad things. There is not the smallest evidence that it does.