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Bonham (sp?) Texas and the CCJW

by James2300 in

many of you may know about the famous incident in bonham (sp.?

) texas in the 1980s.

here's a brief overview for the rest of you: a body of elders turned "apostate" in this town.

Utopian_Raindrops

This is so odd I came across your thread.

There is a sister who still speaks with me and she lived in that area at that time.

She claimed to me that the members of "The Christian Congregation Of Jehovah's Witnesses" had been making it hard on the real JWs.

She said that they would go door to door and treat the house holders realy rude and that when they'd go on service the house holders would be mad because JWs had just been there.

I told her that maybe it was because they didn't have the training in the preaching work JWs do.

Show's ya what I knew!! I guess she didn't seem to know they were Apostate JWs. Hmmmm

I think I will have another talk with her, but I don't think she knows more then what she told me.

Now I so want to know all the facts!!!

I hate that

Agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

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Another WTdouble standards

by Stan Conroy in

jw
friends

i had the misfortune of looking through the june 8 2002 awake, and stumbled across an article on hawaiian luahas (pardon my spelling as i don't have it here in front of me).

the footnote said something along the lines of it originating with false religion, but now it's just considered a banquet, so many christians participate with a clean conscience.. wait a minute!.

what ever happened to "if it had pagan origins it's bad"?

Utopian_Raindrops

hi R.J.(John.R.)

You know my Mother was always saying I was getting a new family and replacing them.

I used to think she was just jealous. I would argue I wasn't replacing them that I could never do that...but I was.

I have a Tia that was like a second mother to me and I have almost cut her out completely!

Odd thing of this Tia is when my family had a meeting to decide what to do with me because I became JW.she asked them if I believed in Jesus Christ. Since the answer was yesthey did not ship me off to Mexico to live with family!

She has always been good to me and I have been shameful!

The worst of it is no one in the JW Religion was as good to me as my family would have been. Isnt that pitiful?

What a trade.

Your dad was very observant R.J.. Youre all blessed to have him

Agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 24 December 2002 5:27:28

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Another WTdouble standards

by Stan Conroy in

jw
friends

i had the misfortune of looking through the june 8 2002 awake, and stumbled across an article on hawaiian luahas (pardon my spelling as i don't have it here in front of me).

the footnote said something along the lines of it originating with false religion, but now it's just considered a banquet, so many christians participate with a clean conscience.. wait a minute!.

what ever happened to "if it had pagan origins it's bad"?

Utopian_Raindrops

hi everybody,

I have the June 8th 2002 AWAKE in frount of me...Cover Story ," Can Science And Religion Be Reconciled?"

The article in question is on pg.24 Title "Let's Have A Hawaiian Luau"

It's realy all about cooking imu which is BB-Q Pig Hawaiian Style, but there is a foot note for paragraph 1 which says," Although the luau may originally have had some connection with false religious practices, the word has simply come to refer to a Hawaiian banquet. Many Christians may therefore conscientiously feel that they can participate."

WHAT IS UP WITH THAT!!!

I mean isn't The Hula a pagan dance? After we became JW's we could not dance Native American Dances at Pow Wows anymore....we just became observers!! Many frounded on our attendance as it was.

And X-Mas,Easter,...thier Pagan origens are so much farther in history then Hawaiians!! In history it's not that long ago a Hawaiian was having a Luau for thier Gods!!

I have stayed away from my family for so many years......only realy associating with my parents who bent over backwards to find days off that were not on holidays to spend with thier Grandkids.

People work today and a lot of times only get Holidays off!! So this is a real seperating in a sneeky way of people from thier familys. Making you feel uncomforatable with them because they are suposedly"Pagan".

I am Mexican and when i wanted to use a Pinata at a party I was told No because, MAYBE there were PAGAN roots!! Not because they knew for a FACT but, because MAYBE!!! Then one year a Brother used one and I thought there was a policy change so I called Patterson and they had a freak! Started very excitedly asking...What cong?....Who was it?.....They gave me a spanish speaking Bro who was realy insistant!! I felt so uncomfortable that I hung up because I knew this man who had the party was a good person.

So the Hawaiian Bro and Sisters can have Luaus but The Mexican ones can't even have a Pinata!!

My daughter did not even have her Quinceanera!!! All her cousins did but not here!! It is a 15th birthday but, it is more a coming out party. To say she is growing up!! You don't even have to sing happy birthday!!

This is so odd because we thought we did everything for JEHOAVH!

Instead it was for some Men at Bethel. Heartless and cold men.

I think this is because , the Hawaiian Bros and Sisters make money on Luaus. Do you know I am a musician and I could not play many things that would make me money because I was a JW. Holidays and Marriages in Christendoms Churches are the bread and butter. I gave up playing for many many years...too many.

I am feeling sick....Can't believe this.

I am never OBEYING blindly another religious leader again. I realy loved those men at Bethel...The GB.

This is crazy.

Sorry....just realy di sillusioned

Agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

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The Government & Disfellowshipping

by Mary in

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friends

from everything i've read here, the jist seems to be that if you're disfellowshipped, you have little chance of winning a lawsuit against the borg because the government still gives them the right to "shun" members if they see fit.. it occurred to me that perhaps we're ignoring a potential ray of light at the end of the tunnel.

what if we tried to lobby the government into changing this, so that it would be illegal for any religion to shun former members?

it's a long shot maybe, but if it could be shown (maybe on another program like dateline) of how unfair, cruel and inhumane it is to tell people they must shun family members or close friends simply because they don't think the same way as them, then maybe eventually, one day, a law would be passed forbidding shunning in any religion.. it's not just ex-witnesses that would support this: ex-mormons, ex-scientologists, ex-seventh day adventists etc.

Utopian_Raindrops

Well any organization that wishes can shun. Religion or not.

The Boy Scouts have done this,...not allowing an atheist teen to belong or a homosexual scout leader to remain.

It is the separation of families that should be focused on.

For instance, when a couple divorces and the non-jw spouse is belittled in their childrens eyes or even kept a away.

This is totally wrong and even Government officials should be able to see that.

The WTBS is like a giant iceberg and former members or abused members are like a tiny tiny ice pick just chipping away.

If people go for putting the whole policy to rest all at once it wont happen. The GB will just tighten their reign on our loved ones inside and the will suffer more then those impatiently waiting on the outside to hug and kiss those they love.

If a cause is fought for it should be for the right to have a normal relationship with the fleshly family Our Creator gave as his precious gift to us.

Any Battle Fought with LOVE can win. Because GOD is LOVE and LOVE CONQUERS ALL!

Well any organization that wishes can shun. Religion or not.

The Boy Scouts have done thisnot allowing an atheist teen to belong or a homosexual scout leader to remain.

It is the separation of families that should be focused on.

For instance, when a couple divorces and the non-jw spouse is belittled in their childrens eyes or even kept at away.

This is totally wrong and even Government officials should be able to see that.

The WTBS is like a giant iceberg and former members or abused members are like a tiny tiny ice pick just chipping away.

If people go for putting the whole policy to rest all at once it wont happen. The GB will just tighten their reign on our loved ones inside and the will suffer more then those impatiently waiting on the outside to hug and kiss those we love.

If a cause is fought for it should be for the right to have a normal relationship with the fleshly family Our Creator gave as his precious gift to us.

Any Battle Fought with LOVE can win. Because GOD is LOVE and LOVE CONQUERS ALL!

Flowers everyone!!

Agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 23 December 2002 21:3:39

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 23 December 2002 21:4:58

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 23 December 2002 21:9:17

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Another WTdouble standards

by Stan Conroy in

jw
friends

i had the misfortune of looking through the june 8 2002 awake, and stumbled across an article on hawaiian luahas (pardon my spelling as i don't have it here in front of me).

the footnote said something along the lines of it originating with false religion, but now it's just considered a banquet, so many christians participate with a clean conscience.. wait a minute!.

what ever happened to "if it had pagan origins it's bad"?

Utopian_Raindrops

Stan,

What's the pic on That Awake? I'm looking for it and that just makes it easier to find.

ty

Utopian_Raindrops

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ALTERNATIVE FRUIT CAKE.....HIC

by QCA1 in

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friends

may i take this opportunity in washing you all a very marry chritmas and a hippy new ear.

fruitcake recipe.. you will need the following: a cup of water, a cup of sugar, 4 large eggs, 2 cups of dried fruit,a teaspoon of baking soda, a teaspoon of salt, a cup of brown sugar, lemon juice, nuts and a bottle of whisky.. sample the whisky to check for quality.. take a large bowl .

check the whisky.

Utopian_Raindrops

ROLF@QCA1

You could add Surreptitious X-mas Cake to your holiday r ecipes**hicup**....your guests would have an intoxicating time

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42660&site=3

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Watchtowers and Awakes Stopped coming!

by czarofmischief in

when i was disfellowshipped, my mom kept getting me subscriptions to the w and a.. every time i moved, the papers would find me.. now, they are no longer mailing them out, citing cost.

too bad, my girl and i found them to be sources of endless amusement.

what great disaster threatens the world this week???

Utopian_Raindrops

Our Czar of mischief,

I am sorry her ladyship and you lost such a bounteous banquet of spiritual amusement.

Maybe if you 2 could try one of Donkeys threads.

She has a plethora of mind tickling goodies

Also,You could always call,"The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Later Day Saints", and subscribe to the Ensign! That could be a new source of never ending sarcastic oops, I mean spiritual pleasure!

Agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 23 December 2002 5:55:25

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Im Backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

by kelpie in

jw
friends

just to let you know that i have returned safely from my holidays with my man and it was the best holiday!!.

unfortunately we didnt have alot of money to spend and my car needed two new tyres while we were away so we spent most of the time "sleeping" in and going to the beach.. we went snorkling one day which was nice and canoeing another day.

i have never done either of these things before so it was a great experience.. i didnt get to melbourne so didnt get to meet beck which made me a little sad but there is always the apostofest in march right!!.

Utopian_Raindrops

WELCOME BACK KELPIE ! ! ! ! !

H A V E A W O N D E R F U L S E A S O N ! ! ! !

Agape,

Utopian_Raindrops..... for you sugar

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THE WEALTHY MAN'S HUNGER

by Utopian_Raindrops in

we have nothing to eat.

then eat.

"try some of the kugel," his wife said as she pushed the plate back to him.

Utopian_Raindrops

ROLF@ Navigator.That will be my new mantra.UUOoommm, My name is Hugh. My name is Hugh. UUOOommm, My name is Hugh"

Ty for the book title.I am getting quite a reading list here!! By the throat, eh? Some intense reading!

Jgnat, Youre always so kind and Im glad I could share something good with you for a change

Our czarofmischief I couldnt have said it better.real meaning at Christmas, especially here in America where there is so much wealth we could share. I hope everyone has your sensitive and caring heart.

Agape all,

Utopian_Raindrops

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running scared - Elder sighted off the port bow!

by czarofmischief in

the repercussions of my argument with my mother on the phone the other week are starting to make themselves felt.

let me be clear: i've been disfellowshipped from the org for two years now.

i'm loving my freedom of thought.. so i was talking to my mom [still in the borg] and started expressing myself on various subjects on which i disagree, or at least see room for philosophical "wiggle room" with the society's viewpoints.

Utopian_Raindrops

My Dear Friend And Mischievous Czar

My Quill And Manuscript In My Hand Are

To Share With You In Creative Bliss

Would Be My Honor Your Royal Highness

Im glad you got your game with out compromise to who you are. Like you being the bad guy is fun, but I prefer to be The Hero in shining Armour then the criminal dressed in onyx black.

Ty for the complements your very kind.You Are a real person in this cyber world as well as out.

In your case youre a very expressive person. Probably because you are a scribbler .One reading your posts can feel your anger, dismay, happiness,etc. There for more easy for me to be inspired by your life. Making it possible to pen a little something.

Give me an e-mail and well exchange thoughts and ideas.

Ciao 4 now,

Utopian Raindrops Of "The Not So Beautiful But Ever Imagining Class"

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