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  The Watchtower Cancer Will Cure itself

  by metatron in

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  i ran into two old witness friends this weekend - and it's the same old story.. sister a belongs to a huge family 'in the truth'.

  nearly all the kids in the.

  extended witness family are gone or df'd.

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  Utopian_Raindrops

  Happyman,

  You do not live in The U.S.A....here many elders are corrupt and unloving. Out for themselves and their own familys salvation.

  For instance the cong we attend now has several very poor families with no help. It has 2 single mom's with no homes of their own...just sleeping at this relatives or the others. Both single moms could have been helped by the way,before they lost their homes.

  I know of a sister who's house burnt down and NO HELP was afforded to her family in cleaning or lodging and yet when an elders family had a small fire there is help galore!

  In another cong I know of single moms still without help that could use it badly ....and of 3 pedephiles UNREPORTED and have abused other children again and again who attend there. Also, this KH's kids and wives of elders gossip and put down others over and over again with no correction.

  I know of people who were repentant and dissed and I know of people who did NOTHING wrong save look at an elder cross-eyed dissed.

  I can go on and on Happyman and I do find this a sad state of affairs. I loved being a JW but it has worn me out. As a JW you are persecuted INSIDE as well as outside your religion. I don't know how much more I can stand and my children's self esteem is way low because of our time spent there.

  I think as the euro spreads and more materialism becomes a way of life in Europe you too will also see corruption of your flocks and the GREED of The WTBS itself.

  We get talk after talk about how we need to support the work with our unclean things. Meaning MONEY. This is true but The WTBS has a portfolio for heavens sake and investments. They have moneymaking scams here like charging The Friends parking when not necessary at Conventions. This was done more then just in Florida. I know because the 1 st time this past summer we had no parking fee at a place we were told year after year REQUIRED one.Could be they were afraid we heard of the Florida parking scandle?

  Happyman as Europe becomes more prosperous please watch and be careful. If things even hint to look as they are here in The U.S.A ....runget out of therebefore they eat you alive too.

  My 2 cents.

  Agape,

  Utopian_Raindrops

  For Happyman the elder we wish we all had....

  Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 30 December 2002 14:7:59
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  JESUS shared a secret with marymagdalane,what was

  by nightwarrior in

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  2. bible

  what was the secret jesus shared with marymagdalane ( was she his wife) .

  any one know about these questions,if so please share them with us .

  .as we are doing some research along, different avenues .

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  Utopian_Raindrops

  Wow Elderrpents! Thats an interesting site! Its 2:23 am here so I am on my way to bed!

  Had company till late and my daughter made the most sublime Moussaka!! I ate like there was no tomorrow!! So Im tired and full! No time for checking into new sites.

  Still I found the beginning of the intro interesting,

  Introduction 01/17/02 For the last three years, Magdalene.org has been bringing the largest variety of information about Mary Magdalene available to the online community. Far from being a site devoted to one vision of this religious figure, we strive to collect, collate, and present a sampling of the broad influence Mary Magdalene has had on Western culture

  As for our nightwarrior RR, he is a very dramatic person who feels things deeply and dives in both feet 1 st ! I find how he thinks with his heart very charming and I am sure his wife and children do as well.

  Here is a link to newlight2s site that should give some more info on pagan origins of the WTBS.http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/5385/Links1.html

  Its very interesting and newlight2 has a few other pages that are fab also!

  Well off to bed to sleep off my feast!

  Agape,

  Utopian_Raindrops

  P.S. RR...I hope you and your wife had very wonderdul B-Days

  Flowers to all.....
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  Sagittal Cranio Synontosis

  by Debz in

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  2. medical

  last may 2002 my 3 month old grandson had to have major skull surgery - he was diagnosed with saggittal cranio synontosis.

  this is an affliction that causes a baby`s skull to be fused together at birth - normally a baby`s skull is in separate sections to enable the brain to grow.

  in order to `fix` the skull a 2 cm strip of skull was taken from his skull from his forehead to the base of his skull.

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  Utopian_Raindrops

  {{{{{Hugz}}}}} Debz

  This is something I did not have to deal with but, I learned of it when I was Pregnant with my 3 rd child.

  I guess it was becoming more common then and they educated all the moms to be on every little mishap possible! Gave me nightmares!

  Fortunately for all the brave little ones, they heal fast after operations and do fine. No one would ever know they needed a little tweaking after birth.

  As for the blood issue your mom was so wrong! But remember most dubs feel they know it all! It comes from thinking we are Jehovahs People and we have the answers to the universe at the tip of our fingers.

  Like you said the blood wasnt even needed. Most doctors today DONT want to use it but prefer to have it available just incase. Which makes sense. How would you feel if you wished to save a childs life and their own parents tied your hands???

  You did well by standing up to your mom! Believe me I know it is hard to tell your own Mother to Shut Up! I am very much a rug when it comes to my parents so to me you were very brave!

  I have not understood why a child who cannot decide for themselves is forced to make a stand on blood. What kind of stand is that? They cant even tie their shoes!

  Youre a fabulous mother to have gone through so much along side your child.

  Very special person you are Debz

  Agape,

  Utopian_Raindrops

  Para ti.....
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  WTS bans American football for "true"...

  by ozziepost in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a magazine article, the wts has warned the r&f dubs that going to the football this new year is "pagan" and is engaging in a "false religious festival".. to support this teaching, the wts quotes from the encyclopedia britannica:"football games in the u.s. have all the external trappings of religious festivals .

  one side representing evil and the other good, depending upon the viewpoint of the members of the audience.

  leading the congregation are the priestesses (cheerleaders) .

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  Utopian_Raindrops

  Ever since I started coming here I have learned how The GB seems to be all about controling people and then blaming The R&F if they believed what they said "A Good Christian" should do!

  I am Mexican and nice pinatas were baned because they"MIGHT" have pagan origens......not because they do!

  Now, The GB has always had it out for football,rugby,and hockey but, this is crazy!

  There is a thread here some where about Hawaiian Luaus and how The GB makes them sound ok!

  Which I find odd because they are so rooted in pagan practice it stinks! It is not even that long ago Hawaiians were doing false worship to their pagan gods and yet here i the quote,"Although the luau may originally have had some connection with false practices, the word has simply come to refer to a Hawaiian banquet. Many christians may therefore conscientiously feel that they can participate"

  What a crock!! I mean I will go to a luau because it is obvious pagan doesn't matter to Jehovah or Jesus anymore! They are not holding us to old testament (Hebrew Scriptures)standards! It is too hard these days to seperate pagan and non pagan traditions. There are just too many and you'd go NUTS!

  Which is just what they wish us to do! Keep looking this way and that until we can't stand alone anymore and are crawling and saying,"Please GB,please, tell me what I will do next!"

  Football is just a fun sport same as anyother! My son for one will play if he so chooses!

  So There!

  My 2 cents

  Agape,

  Utopian_Raindrops

  **Awake of June 8,2002** art:"Let's Have a Hawaiian Luau"**pg.24**
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  Question for fade-aways.

  by bay64me in

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  2. friends

  well, i panicked, i prepared and had excuses ready.

  strategies and contingency plans up and running.

  i have been awaiting, nay willing my "inactive persons' shepherding call" (whatever) and it hasn't happened yet!.

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  Utopian_Raindrops

  At my current Hall (I have a child who wishes to remain JW and so I attend with )

  These Elders are mostly ok. They gave an announcment stating that if a person has not been attending this person has by thier actions disassociated themselves . They went on further to say that thier would be NO ANNOUNCMENTS of any dissassiciations of such ones.

  I think this is 1 because they all have relitives who have gone inactive and 2 because some of these elders realy do fear Jehovah. They got up on a local needs talk once because alot were complaning they din't diss someone and they said it was better to error on the side of mercy.

  Thing is we have been assigned some new elders. When I say assigned I mean these guys live OUTSIDE our territory and were elders in thier old Halls. Now all of a sudden they are in ours and elders right away.

  Some of us find this strange as we did not need anymore elders. It feels like our old elders shoulders are being looked over.

  I let my children know that if they were to be baptised in "The Name Of The Father And The Son, And Jehovah's Holy Spirit Annionted Organization" that I wouldn't allow it.They agreed Are those the words they use now? This is what I have heard. If that is what they say....where can I find that in writing?

  hmmmm, ty for listening

  Agape,

  Utopian_Raindrops

  For everyone....
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  No Pressure By Me!

  by Blueblades in

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  2. friends

  no pressure by me will be heavy upon you.the c.o.quoting from job 33:7 to the congregation!

  was this said to your congregation?then the talks he gives puts pressure on us all.do more!

  don't get tired!

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  ALAN!!!!

  You have no idea!! I was wondering if such a scripture exsisted!!

  Thank-you so much for posting it!!

  I have been telling my children that Jehovah needs no one to defend Him! He is The Almighty!

  We need only lead lives in The Christ!

  I will share this scripture with my children and everyone I meet.

  ty Brother.....for you.....

  Agape,

  Utopian_Raindrops

  **yeah I know I'm a corn ball....but oh, well....we are who we are**
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  Christmas and the Cross

  by barry in

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  2. friends

  talking about christmas and the cross will stir a debate with any dedicated jw but the same idears can be found in other churches for one my own church the adventists.. the weekend before this last xmas we were told in hushed tones we would be haveing visiters from another adventist church from the other side of canberra.

  some saints from this church were haveing problems with all the agenda planned for xmas and were just not happy with xmas trees and presents being given to the kids there for the xmas celebrations.

  we were told these people would be worshipping with us where xmas was limited to a sermon about xmas and the kids sung some carols.

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  Utopian_Raindrops

  Grasias barry for the site!

  I find investigating religions on the internet a bit more comfortable for me as no one will be KNOCKING at my door!

  You are very kind to have answered my questions and now I will go investigate.

  Have a wonderful New Year if we do not speak b4 then

  Agape,

  Utopian_Raindrops

  Para ti......
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  Christmas and the Cross

  by barry in

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  2. friends

  talking about christmas and the cross will stir a debate with any dedicated jw but the same idears can be found in other churches for one my own church the adventists.. the weekend before this last xmas we were told in hushed tones we would be haveing visiters from another adventist church from the other side of canberra.

  some saints from this church were haveing problems with all the agenda planned for xmas and were just not happy with xmas trees and presents being given to the kids there for the xmas celebrations.

  we were told these people would be worshipping with us where xmas was limited to a sermon about xmas and the kids sung some carols.

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  Utopian_Raindrops

  So barry,

  As an Adventist if you disagree with some of the teachings thats ok?

  And if they believe that Jesus died on the cross (something highly probable) Why not have them in the church?

  I know my personal reason for not liking them but what are Adventists reasons?

  Is there a basic outline of beliefs? Such as , Articles of Faith? Or do they vary from congregation?

  Are you a practicing Adventist and if so why did you choose this religion above the others?

  Thank-you for your patience.

  U_R
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  Birthday

  by RR in

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  hey, tomorrow the 29th is my birthday, happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me, happy birthday to meeee .... happy birthday to me.. rr.

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  Utopian_Raindrops

  Ok hermano, you are my 1 st person giving Good Wishes to since being free.

  Havent felt all that comfortable yet but you are so mild and gentle. I could not, not wish you well..so

  Feliz Cumpleanos Y Muchas Mas !!!

  

  Y su esposa tambien

  Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 29 December 2002 3:24:21
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  Mormons

  by meadow77 in

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  are there any mormons here, or people familiar with mormon beliefs.

  i have some questions regarding their doctrine, including baptising those that have passed away.

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  Utopian_Raindrops

  LOL....ty for posting that site!! You wont believe this but becoming JW was suposed to be my cure and excape from Mormonism!! Go figure!!