Posts by Utopian

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Oh So Codependent With You

by COMF in

could apply to one's relationship with a controlling, abusive organization, too... reckon?.

codependent (ko'di-pen'dent).

adj.. of or relating to a relationship in which one person is psychologically dependent in an unhealthy way on someone who is addicted to a drug or self-destructive behavior, such as chronic gambling.. codependent with you (mp3, 3540 kb).

Utopian_Raindrops

2 Odd COMF,

I was reading your thread while listening to Salivas ALWAYS Very Codependent song.

You can click here and take a listen.http://www.islandrecords.com/saliva/

Ciao, Agape, U_R

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"2008" End of this system...??

by breeze in

my theory

maybe the org was right with all of their predictions about the timeline of 607bc 1914?

except for the small difference, the time that jesus spent on the earth was exempt from the calculations?

Utopian_Raindrops

Puts on her crown of flower child daisies ,bows before Jgnat, while passing around some of what Breeze is smoking and chanting,"Hail Jgnat!! Oh Great Prophetess Of The Most High!! Hail Jgnat!"

U_R of the Reminiscing the 1975ers Class

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 5 January 2003 14:34:18

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"2008" End of this system...??

by breeze in

my theory

maybe the org was right with all of their predictions about the timeline of 607bc 1914?

except for the small difference, the time that jesus spent on the earth was exempt from the calculations?

Utopian_Raindrops

Right On Brother Rocky!!!

Power To the People!! U_R of the Still In Silly Mood Class

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"2008" End of this system...??

by breeze in

my theory

maybe the org was right with all of their predictions about the timeline of 607bc 1914?

except for the small difference, the time that jesus spent on the earth was exempt from the calculations?

Utopian_Raindrops

Ok.,Jesus said no one knows the day or hour and HE didnt even know himself.

Still I would like some of what Breeze is smoking so I can make insane predictions too!

Pass it one Breeze

Utopian_Raindrops of the "In A Silly Mood Today Class"

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Watchtower lies through their teeth.

by GeddyLee in

i just returned from some nice r@r in cancun mexico.

while i was their i had some time to go downtown to their municipal offices, and confront one of their officials face to face on whether the jehovahs witnesses were ever banned in their country.having read crisis of concsience , i have always been interested in finding out the truth of this matter for myself.

whether they were actually under a ban, or was it the watchtowers way of holding on to their real estate.

Utopian_Raindrops

Hey Pretty Plum,

I can see that on this topic it may be hard to out and out prove that it was a WTBS ban and not a Mexican Government ban.

Although, once again Id have to say bible should prevail and every Christian in any Religion knows about Daniel and how he was thrown into the lions den for public praying. On top of as JWs we went over and over and over Daniels 3 friends not bowing to an idol set up by government. Why would any Christian bow to Government their right of free worship? For The WTBS all things are for their furtherance and gain not Gods.

AlenF brought out this scripture a few days ago, Are you defending God by means of lies and dishonest arguments? You should be impartial witnesses, but will you slant your testimony in his favor? Will you argue Gods case for him? Be careful that he doesnt find out what you are doing! Or do you think you can fool him as easily as you fool people? No, you will be in serious trouble with him if even in your hearts you slant your testimony in his favor. Doesnt his majesty strike terror into your heart? Does not your fear of him seize you? Your statements have about as much value as ashes. Your defense is as fragile as a clay pot. (Job 13:7-12; New Living Translation)

I think this scripture could apply in this case as they were trying to dishonestly present themselves as something they were not in order to worship God. Ether they were a Religion representing the True God or they were a social club. They can only be one and be exceptable to God. To lie or dissemble is not an option for those claiming to Worship in Honesty and Truth.

These are things JWs I feel would think about if all the facts could be presented in away to OPEN their free thinking abilities and BREAK The WTBS locks and chains.

As you say a person has to forget their own opinions and read things objectively. People like you teach me everyday.

This is something I have been learning on this forum. One of the Kudos of coming here.

LisaBObeesa....Ty for bringing out the main subject and reminding us all what your talking about.

Agape all,U_R

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 5 January 2003 3:30:49

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What Will Happen?

by onacruse in

jw
friends

this is a true story.. this fellow i heard about, he's been sending out letters about the gb, saying things like "those guys may seem important whatever they are makes no difference to me," and "they said you can't take blood transfusions, but mature christians know better.

" this fellow had a major and messy public argument with a heavy player from brooklyn, and told him to take a hike.

why, one time this fellow went to the kh that ted jaracz attends, stood right up there in the middle of the congregation, and publicly accused tj of being a hypocrite!.

Utopian_Raindrops

Ahhhh, see Craig! Thats what I thought you meant all along.....yeah......right.thats the ticket.

Para ti Mr.Newlywed.

Agape,

U_R

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 5 January 2003 2:36:52

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Til death do us part - divorce

by Lady Lee in

wedding vows .

til death do us part

(note: although i speak about women here this can easily be reversed) .

Utopian_Raindrops

Dear Lady Lee,

Did you know how you would touch me with this post?

I read your words and cried and cried.

I lasted in an abusive marriage for 12 years because I did not want to betray Jehovah.

Some of the time it was WT Dogma on marriage that kept me there as before I was a JW I wouldnt have put up with so much violence and neglect.

As a JW wife you have the extra burden that you could save your spouses eternal life. Before the provision of being able to divorce without remarriage you were to stay married or be disciplined.

Many would council me on how brother so and sos wife beat him and he stayed and now she is a JW and saved for eternity. Another story I was given was of a sister whos unbelieving mate would put her and the children to sleep in the garage every night. This went on for 30 years and then one day he came into The Truth and how happy she was he was saved.

There was an extra pressure in The Truth to remain in an abusive marriage. If I divorced I could be killing my husband. Plus, I would bring reproach on Jehovahs Name!

I spent many days, weeks, months, and years crying. Always praying and calling out to Jehovah God.

I will be honest. If my husband had become a JW and turned into a loving caring father and husband to the children and me it would have been worth all the suffering. To save my family is worth any pain.

But, this man never loved me as your post brought out. He broke our vows.

Do you know even 5 plus years later I have felt guilty for divorce?

You wrote, But no one seems to realize that the abusive husband has already broken the vows. Through the abuse he has shown he has no love for his wife. He does not honor her when he hits her. Her does not cherish her when he screams and yells in her face. Or calls her names. He does not care for her when he controls her or uses her as a servant. He does not need to commit adultery to break the marriage vows.

What I have learned are most men who behave this way ALREADY committed adultery but do not want to admit it. For some odd reason even though they have done such atrocities to their families they dont want to admit adultery as that would make them a bad guy.

In the case of my ex he said if he told me Id leave. I guess the whole world knew about him and his women. I was such a good co-dependant.

It is not that long since I have been out of The Org. So feeling guilty of divorce is an on going battle.

Thank you so much for your post sweet Lady Lee

Agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

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Habitat for Humanity JW Style

by Kenneson in

on tonight's evening news was a story about jw's from the southeast coming to a town in georgia to build a house for a needy jehovah's witness.

seems that this is recently formed program.

it's a type of quick-build, kind of along the lines of the kingdom hall builds.

Utopian_Raindrops

Even if it is for the widow orphan types I wonder what the interest on the mortgage is?

Habitat For Humanity gives you a mortgage you know.

For The WTBS this is probly another way to invest and make money.

Also, if Religions do get taxed one day,remember The WTBS has no real Charities.

They need to set some up to hide money and avoid taxes.

As a single mother in "The Truth" I never received such help and neither have any of my friends who are single moms.

I hope they do have some kind of new program as then my friends still inside will finally have homes! Even if they are at the lowest comparable interest rates.

Someone find more info on this. I would really love to find out! I know a homeless single mom inside "The Org"

ty for this post,

Agape,

U_R

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 5 January 2003 2:46:32

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 5 January 2003 2:48:50

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Nothing Hurts Like This

by JT in

jw
friends

james: .

though i may, on more than a few occasions, have questioned whether or not i wanted to be one of jehovahs witnesses and i may at some point decide that i dont, i can assure you that i would never contact you again.

it is really unfortunate that you felt the need to post our email exchanges on jw.com because to be honest with you, i actually thought that you may have been sincerely interested in me as a person.

Utopian_Raindrops

Oh JT,

I am very sorry I have not answered to all your posts.

I am a single mother who was kicked around in the Truth.

I am not Black but I am Latin and there fore treated the same in Anglo congs. They do not understand me and Yes, (As you have said) elders wives think you'er after their man.

Single Mothers and single sisters in general of all races are lonely inThe Truth and treated like dirt.

Since I wasnt grateful enough to always respond to your posts(Sorry) you wouldnt know this but I have read your posts to family. I have shared your posts with friends. I have sometimes read and re-read them.

I understand the break as you left an Org that beat you down. Outside the Org there are people who will beat you down also. Everyone needs a holiday and so you should take one.

Just please come back now and again. Put on your Goalies mask (Hockey) and start us another thought provoking thread.

I can see this sisters point in not wanting her e-mail used. Maybe you should have asked. Who knows? If it helps her at all I read that post to my mother and daughters and it is saved for future reference on favorites.

If it helps you at all based on her angry e-mail She is still questioning the Truth and that is good. She is not blind and that in part is because of you.

Not everyone thanked Jesus. Still many benefited from His words.

I think its exciting youre in school!

Give a kiss to Lady C from me.

And here for you both..

Agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 5 January 2003 1:32:5

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