IsaacJ22

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  Is this true? Do the elders really do it like this?

  by Julia Orwell in

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  12 years ago

  i put this week's wt paragraph about disfellowshipping on my fb page and said how poor robert's family didn't even check to see whether he was dead or alive in 16 years and a friend of mine of the 'conscious class' commented about how unchristian she felt disfellowshipping to this degree is, and i agreed.. another friend, and uber-jw who has a host of illnesses and yet pioneers, who everytime she and her husband go to another congregation, if he's not appointed within three years they move to another and try for an appointment there - he used to be an elder and no one is willing to promote him again- replied to my thread.

  now keep in mind she has a dfd son and she doesn't even know whether he is dead or alive, because she follows the wt to the tee.

  she replied, among other things,with this:.

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  IsaacJ22 12 years ago

  The reality is that elders wield a lot of power in their KHs. JWs - even many XJWs - often underestimate this. It's one of the reasons why one congregation can be surprisingly moderate while another can be strict even by WT standards within the same area. It really boils down to the body of elders.

  If your elders choose to interpret things as being black and white, then that's how it will be. If they choose to look the other way for things that other KHs in your area would DF you for, that's how it will be as well. But only at that KH.

  Most of them seem to fall somewhere in-between. Halls vary more than people seem to realize. Including the uber-JW.

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  JJ Abrams to direct Star Wars Episode VII

  by cedars in

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  12 years ago

  simultaneously breathing life into the two biggest sci-fi franchises?.

  http://news.sky.com/story/1043186/star-wars-episode-vii-new-director-revealed.

  as he boldly goes where no director has gone before, may the force be with him!.

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  IsaacJ22 12 years ago

  Only if Disney buys Paramount. But you never know, I guess.

  I think JJ Abrams might be better for Star Wars than he was for Star Trek. There were some things I didn't like in the new movie, but a lot I did like. Star Trek was always very cerebral, more often to the point of absurdity than I really noticed at the time. JJ Abrams maybe took it too far in the other direction for me. But Star Wars seems right up his alley.

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  Would a downtown NY public protest against shunning help or harm the Watchtower Corp?

  by tootired2care in

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  12 years ago

  so i was having an interesting thought the other night -- albeit probably not original, but interesting.

  what would be accomplished if thousands of us banded together and held a huge protest of the issue of shunning family right behind the governing body's headquarters (25 columbia heights) in brooklyn bridge park?

  the shunning of non-believing family is a strong issue that i'm sure everyone of us could get behind 100%.

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  IsaacJ22 12 years ago

  I had wondered about XJWs like us holding some sort of convention of our own, but making it a "debaptism," so that it would gain any attention in the press as it did when some ex-Mormons tried debaptizing themselves. Something like that, held on neurtral terriroty rather than the WT's doorstep, might be better. You'd be a bunch of people just doing their own thing and not oppressing anyone. There would be no footage of a mob howling outside the Society's doors while innocent JWs minding their own business smiled knowlingly, as they have done in other YouTube videos I have seen.

  The press would ask why you're doing it, and you'd be ready with an answer like, "Because the WT shuns people who change their minds about the Society having the one and only true religion. It's forces thousands of people to stay JWs who don't want to be just so they can talk to their family's." Or whatever. You'd have to think carefully about the statement and make it fairly short, though. It would have to be a statement of fact and less an accusation they could refute.

  The question is, can you make it newsworthy? Can you get enough exxers interested?

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  Yahweh was a Cannanite god Ashtoreth his wife...before the Jews!! Unreal!

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. bible

  12 years ago

  this i did not know till recently.

  buts a whole new meaning to "let us make man in our image.." no wonder all the kings of israel turned to other gods..

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  IsaacJ22 12 years ago

  Me too, Hamsterbait. Even if I'm more of a pet rat owner myself.

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  Yahweh was a Cannanite god Ashtoreth his wife...before the Jews!! Unreal!

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. bible

  12 years ago

  this i did not know till recently.

  buts a whole new meaning to "let us make man in our image.." no wonder all the kings of israel turned to other gods..

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  IsaacJ22 12 years ago

  I am actually reading A History of God right now, so the original topic interests me. As far as who's more disrespectful, atheists or believers, I'm sure we all know that there are members of both groups that are guilty of that. I find that fundamentalists and especially evangelists on the Christian side are often very judgmental and offensive. But so are some atheists. Both sides will tend to think the other is worse.

  Unless someone has hard evidence, as far as I'm concerned, this is getting you nowhere. If you're a rude Christian or a rude atheist, you're bound to think the guys on the other side of the fence are the real jerks. That's just how it is.

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  Has the GB ever explained how they receive "new light" from Jehovah?

  by cobaltcupcake in

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  12 years ago

  i remember a long time ago the explanation was that various anointed ones would write to the gb with the same new understanding of a teaching, the gb would investigate it, and if it was acceptable, they'd pass it on to the r&f.

  of course, now we have the new light that new light occurs only to the gb, not the anointed at large.

  so, if any anointed ones get new ideas, they're just apostates, right?.

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  IsaacJ22 12 years ago

  The GB has yet to even receive a postcard from God, Jesus, or even the Easter Bunny. They're just a bunch of old guys with a really high opinion of their own opinions.

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  Hard Boiled Eggs Cannot Be Peeled . . . Ever!

  by compound complex in

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  12 years ago

  good morning, friends:.

  it's nearly 3:00 a.m., and i needed a midnight snack.

  i didn't want to fry an egg so i tried to peel a couple cooked eggs.

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  IsaacJ22 12 years ago

  Try boiling them with some baking soda in the water. Then peel them before they get too cool. Supposedly cooling them down with ice water also helps, but I find once they are completely cooled off, they get harder to peel again.

  Peel one end of the egg off. If you do it right, they'll almost fall out of the shell on their own.

  Some dude made videos about peeling hb eggs on YouTube. If you want, look for the video for detailed advice.

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  If god exists...

  by dazed but not confused in

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  12 years ago

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  if god exists, wouldnt it make more sense for him to show himself today - now that we are a more enlightened people?

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  IsaacJ22 12 years ago

  I agree with the point of the question. Why doesn't God just pop down and say hi, now here's what I want from people? Even if what he wants is nothing. It would clear up a lot of questions. At minimum, he could send an angel powerful enough to do things (miracles) that a fraud could not to convince us that he was what he claimed to be.

  If there is an impending armageddon, or if there is some sort of reward system in the afterlife, wouldn't a kind and reasonable god want us to know the details to save ourselves?

  Personally, I don't think any gods exist. So they can't appear.

  If God cares, why not prove atheists like me wrong? The things believers offer as proof are very very weak to the rest of us. Why not make his existence undeniable? Or even hard to deny?

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  Talked to an elder today

  by MrFreeze in

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  12 years ago

  i guess the stars aligned for this one.

  this morning i dropped my car off to get it fixed and the shop i always go to is a lot closer to my mom's house than mine so i asked her if i could stay at her house while it got fixed.

  she was out in service doing returns at the time and offered to ride me to her house.

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  IsaacJ22 12 years ago

  Dare I suggest he's the one sticking his head in the sand? He seems like one who thinks it's all obviously the truth. Either that, or he knows better but thinks that acting this way will pressure you to conform in order to gain his approval.

  Elders are fun.

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  So ARE Mormons a cult?

  by Found Sheep in

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  13 years ago

  had a short, cuz i cut it off, conversation about mormons today.

  she claims to be one.

  before i knew she was my big mouth called it a cult.

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  IsaacJ22 13 years ago

  The Mormons are very similar to JWs culturally in many ways. Just hang out at ex-Mormon sites and you'll find many of the same stories are being told that we have. They have been fighting to become mainstream, and have been more successful at it than 7th Day Adventists and other similarly small and isolated groups. Mormons, like JWs, naturally don't see themselves as a cult. That doesn't mean they aren't one.

  You have to agree with their leaders in all things, they do DF AND excommunicate (they're different things to Mormons) and they're about as honest regarding the dangers of caffeine as JWs are about blood transfusions. And then there's the weirdness on top of that. God lives on Kolob (it was called Kobol in the Battlestar Galactica series...the guy who created the original show was a Mormon) magical underwear and all. Some regard them as a mix of Scientology weirdness and JW evangelism.

  Did anyone mention polygamy yet? (Actually, it's not polygamy since only men were supposed to have multiple wives. Mormons practice polygyny.)

  I regard them as a cult. I had family that were Mormon wannabes but who couldn't uphold the standards about caffeine and alcohol.

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