Posts by jonjonsimons

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The Bible advances women's rights

by Rex B13 in

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our forum's now chapter likes to slander christian believers over alleged poor treatment of women.

in truth, the bible advanced women's rights in the ancient world, even in a paternalistic society.

here are the results of research into this topic.. num 5.12--the trial of bitter waters (sotah) is a an amazing provision by god for a woman to publicly clear her name (and indict a dysfunctional husband in the process).

jonjonsimons

Rex,
I have stuided the Bible, that is exactly why I have the belief system that I do. I did not jump to Atheism simply as a knee jerk reaction to my upbringing. That would be stupid.
I truly believe that you have very strong convictions and I applaud you for sticking to them. I however do not agree with your convictions, just as you do not agree with mine. The only differance I see between us is that I do not think you are damned for your beliefs. Let's just leave it at that, since arguing over it won't solve anything.

Peace and love to you and yours,
Jon

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'Lost' redux

by Rex B13 in

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being lost...is of course, the usual state of things here.

what's surprising is that they (the lost) think that pulling scriptures out of context, isolating mosaic laws mean't for one purpose and one time, is somehow refuting scripture.. they like to ignore the fact that jesus is the revealed yahweh and he sets the mark, not any organisation nor any pious individual.

we relate scripture to him and we interpret scripture by his life amongst mankind.

jonjonsimons

Rex,
I don't understand. You are the first one to jump in when someone lumps all Christians in the same group, but you just did the same with Athiests.

I am an Athiest, (I know big secret) and yet I don't blame God for anything. He doesn't exist, so how could I. I do blame organized religion for many of the worlds perils, can you honestly disagree with that?

I support a womans right to choose an abortion for 2 very simple reasons Rex. First because my mother died at the age of 35 bearing a child that her Dr. advised her not to have. An abortion would have saved her life. Period. Secondly my 14 year old sister was raped and became pregnant. She could not go to my father for help because in his JW mentality she was afraid the blame would be put on her for what had happened. I took her to the clinic and held her hand while the abortion was performed and I would do the same today. Why should a 14 year old rape victim be expected to carry a child to term?

I also find it funny that you think all Athiests are "Christian bashers". I fully respect your right to your beliefs. You however don't extend that same courtesy to others. Your entire post was one big "Athiest Bash" Rex. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I am extremely offended that you would even make a comment like "the holy right to spread STDs like AIDS and hepatitis (of several types) just for their own selfish, destructive lifestyles." What??? Do you really believe that people think that way Rex, or are you just trying to be antagonistic? It is my sincere hope that this comment was made in the heat of the moment because if it isn't, then I have lost any respect that I was starting to gain for you. To trivialize a disease that has cost millions of lives worldwide with a sarcastic comment like this is disgusting. I hope you never have to know the pain of losing someone you love to AIDS. I wish that on no one.

I also take extreme offense that you say all Athiests care more for the rights of criminals than they do for the victims. Where do you get off saying something like that Rex? Have you ever been the victim of a crime, or had a close family member that has? I have Rex and believe me this Athiest does NOT take the criminals side in this matter. My uncle was murdered in 1984, and the man who killed him spent less than 10 years in prison. I personally went to his parole hearings and argued against his release, but he was freed after his second hearing. I also hope you never know the pain of losing a family member to murder. Take my word for it, it sucks out loud.

Please do not continue to make blanket statements about people you don't even know Rex. It makes you look truly uninformed and anything but Christian.

Jon

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The Bible advances women's rights

by Rex B13 in

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our forum's now chapter likes to slander christian believers over alleged poor treatment of women.

in truth, the bible advanced women's rights in the ancient world, even in a paternalistic society.

here are the results of research into this topic.. num 5.12--the trial of bitter waters (sotah) is a an amazing provision by god for a woman to publicly clear her name (and indict a dysfunctional husband in the process).

jonjonsimons

Rex,
Two points to make.

1. My response to your post was an honest question not a smart ass remark so I'm suprised that you would proceed to call me a knee jerk follower, stupified and lost for anything substantial. I follow no one Rex, please remember that. I have made it a point not to attack and or goad you with snippy remarks in my posts since the last time we argued on this board so in the future I would appreciate the same in kind.

2. My screen name is jonjon. Very simple...jonjon. Not jojon not jjon but jonjon. If I can remember how to spell Rex you can remember how to spell jonjon.

Peace and love to you and yours,
Jon

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ACK!! Son Wants to Rejoin the Army!!

by Tina in

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he just told me this today.

he only received his separation papers a few weeks before the attack on the wtc!

he says (due to his past training and rank) if they guarante him ranger,he will return!

jonjonsimons

Tina darling,
Take a deep breath and release. See feels at least a little better doesn't it? From what you've told me about him, your son has a great head on his shoulders so just stand back and try your best to support him, which I know you will do because you're a fantastic mother and that's what fantastic mothers do. Take it from me I know a fabulous Mutha I mean Mother when I see one. Sending thoughts of friendship and love your way.

Jon

BTW Andi and Dana. Neener neener neener, you got in trouble!! See I told you Mom likes me best!!!! lol

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Afghan Women under Taliban

by Tina in

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for those who might be interested in the plight, public murder,bride-price, of women who live under talibans terroriistic fundamentalism........ warning!

graphic photos.. http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/women.html.

carl sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones.

jonjonsimons

Tina Darling,
Excellent post. Unfortunately as we both know this barbaric treatment of the better gender is practiced in many countries that are run by fundamentalist men. Thanks goodness not all Muslim men have the same beliefs. From Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan, women are mutilated and murdered on a daily basis at the whim of the men who they should trust the most, ie their husbands and fathers. Let us not forget that in these cultures the only person with the power to spare the life of a woman accused of any crime where the death penalty is applied, is the Patriarch of the famlily that was wronged. Even in cases where no actual Patriarch exists, they will hand over the decision of life or death to the oldest male member of the extended family be he 18 or 80. It is truly a nauseating ideology.

BTW Rex I must take exception to your bashing of NOW. I happen to be a card carrying member of NOW and I'm damn proud of it. Go ahead now and make a funny fag joke, I know you'll be dying to after you read this. I have no problem with what NOW stands for, and any man worth a damn shouldn't either. NOW does not proclaim to want to take over the world from men. What they do endorse is the equal treatment of all minorities world wide by use of education and empowerment. What in the world could be wrong with that?

Peace and love,
Jon

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The Bible advances women's rights

by Rex B13 in

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friends

our forum's now chapter likes to slander christian believers over alleged poor treatment of women.

in truth, the bible advanced women's rights in the ancient world, even in a paternalistic society.

here are the results of research into this topic.. num 5.12--the trial of bitter waters (sotah) is a an amazing provision by god for a woman to publicly clear her name (and indict a dysfunctional husband in the process).

jonjonsimons

Rex,
I don't see how it's possible to quote some scriptures to prove a point when there are just as many if not more that disprove the same point. That is why the Bible has never made sense to me. It contradicts itself too much to truly be an inspired work of God.
Just MHO. Not bashing, just pondering how someone can be considered another persons property and yet their equal at the same time?

Peace,
Jon

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HELP - Trip to New York City next month...

by Billygoat in

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hey all!.

i've been planning a surprise trip to nyc for my boyfriend neil for several months now and i've just told him about it.

(it will be our year anniversary the weekend we go.

jonjonsimons

Andi,
Sounds like a fun trip. Just thought I'd pass along one word of warning though. A friend of mine is a reporter for a tv network in Portugal and has been in NYC since 9/11 until yesterday. He called me and told me to tell anyone that I knew who was going, not to go anywhere near "ground zero". To put it bluntly, he said the smell would make you hurl if you got within a mile of the area. Just wanted to pass it along in case you could use the info.

BTW you MUST see Stomp. Fabulous, simply Fabulous. I saw it last time I was there and I just couldn't get enough of it. Also some of the smaller art stores/galleries in Soho are magnificent, especially if you're into modern art.

Congrats on your anniversary and have a fun trip.

Peace,
Jon

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answer to emails

by helpothers in

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many have emailed me regarding donations for the victims of the terrorist attacks in new york and washington d.c. others have expressed concern and would like to help with donating money.

i have found a way to do that.

i have signed up with several programs that pay for leads.

jonjonsimons

helpothers,
Please provide the city and state where your organization, Global Charity Inc is registered.

Thanks,
Jon

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Reply to the Elder

by lisaBObeesa in

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said the elder to the 'inactive' jw yesterday:.

"just remeber, the jws are the largest peace movement in the world!".

the 'inactive' then should have said,______________________________(fill in the blank).

jonjonsimons

Inactive: Someone must have forgotten to tell my family about the "peace" part.

Tina you said,
"Piece?(peace) Yeah and my other ride is your Mom.

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
You rock my world girl. Check your email.

Peace and love,
Jon

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Opportunity to show JWs what WE are made of...

by Billygoat in

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i think the fact that some jw's are gleeful over tuesday's tragic events, is sick.

if it is true that the wts "closed their shades" to focus on work on tuesday, i feel even more sick.

how anybody, regardless of religion, could turn away from the sadness and grief of this tragedy, is beyond my comprehension.

jonjonsimons

jayhawk,
You guessed it. The first time I got sick several years ago, he said that one of the reasons was because I had turned my back on the org. I told him using that reasoning was no different than the Falwells and Robertsons of this world saying that AIDS was a curse from god, which the org claims not to agree with. What people will believe in the name of religion still floors me. I guess the things that have happened in the past week really bring that more into focus.

Six,
I'm not sure it's really brave. More like masochistic. My sister and my partner wonder why I even bothered. I don't know for sure why. Part of me wants to beleive that one day he will change his tune, and the other part of me wants to see if I can get on his nerves, at least for a few minutes.

Peace and love,
Jon