may you all have peace!.
a little while ago a dear one referred to my trip to "bethel" and discussion with carey barber.
he asked if he could read them.
Mad Sweeney: Of course, it's okay to take a polar opposite side here. But unlike you, WayOut does it with a total lack of respect and of no kind or compassionate concern for his view of AGuest's possible/probable mental illness. That is the crux of the matter here. Do you not see that? AGuest is not alone in hearing the Voice of the Master, M. Sweeney. Others here do as well, including me. Be that as it may. . . .
--Inkie
may you all have peace!.
a little while ago a dear one referred to my trip to "bethel" and discussion with carey barber.
he asked if he could read them.
OnTheWayOut
“I think I finally get it with you.”—to quote you, WayOut.
You “think”? You have the temerity to call that “thinking”? You don’t think. You rant and you rave and perorate like a maniacal baffoon. Your sarcasm is stinging like the son of a viper that you are manifesting yourself to be. In this thread you have shown yourself to be one of the most angry, hateful, and bitter people on this entire board. You may even take the award for it.
Since when has AGuest ever been unkind to you? Since when has AGuest ever been disrespectful to you? Since when has AGuest ever, in any way, shown you any kind of hatefulness? And yet, that is exactly what you have shown to her here. My Lord, Jaheshua, says that AGuest should “rejoice when people like you say every sort of lying thing about her.” You know not of what you speak. You speak in ignorance. AGuest should “leap for joy at being spoken of in such a way by you for her reward is great in the heavens.”
If you truly believe what you say about AGuest (that she is wacked, crazy, delusional, whatever... for hearing the “voices” that she does), one would “think” (which you obviously don’t do) that in your sincere concern for her (had you had any heartfelt concern) that you would be kind, understanding, compassionate, in your tender mercies and concerns for her well-being. But nooooo . . . not you, on the contrary, you have shown yourself by what you write to be an abhorrent, loathsome, execrable, and odious individual. If you truly believe what you say about AGuest, where is your pity? You have none. How sad for you. How lacking in character.
In saying the things that AGuest has said here on this board, she has not been unkind to anyone, hasn’t called anyone names. You, on the other hand . . . never mind, needless to say. One need only read what you write to know.
It is obvious that you hate religion. I can certainly sympathize totally with those feelings. But Wow! Your violent reaction to the things AGuest has posted here is “WayOut”! How appropriate your name is.
Like AGuest, I too have written a number of times to the Society concerning things I wondered about in their theology. And they have apologized to me on a number of occasions for their delay in responding to me. Like AGuest, they told me in one of their responses to me that they were seriously considering some of the things I, myself, asked of/pointed out to them, in my letters to them. They too made a correction concerning one of their teachings because of what I wrote them. As a matter of fact, they told me to “wait” for a future publication to come out and clarify a point that I made to them. Sure enough, a “further clarification” was written in a Watchtower concerning one of their teachings. It is obvious to me that this kind of thing does happen. And it hasn’t happened only to me.
WayOut, you, yourself, are obviously to be pitied. Your anger and bitterness, while understandable in some cases, is not so here when you attack my sister in Christ. You need to apologize to AGuest for your vituperous and scathing sarcasm. Will AGuest get one? I don’t think anyone is holding his breath.
You, yourself, WayOut, are one of many who should be pitied. And you are.
May the Eternal, Jah of Armies, extend mercy to you for your gross unkindness and deep disrespect.
AGuest, my sistert: I just had to write what I wrote. To tell you “my truth,” WayOut really ticked me off. But as you may surmise, I reined myself in so as to speak only the truth and not transgress. While I understand the feelings of the Sons of Thunder, I do not necessarily want to be one.
May our God, Jah, and His Anointed One, continue to bless you as you share whatever our Lord gives you. Praise Jah!
--Inkie
the people in the ot made mistakes about what god wanted and expected from them.
some of the laws that were given were in place because they were too hard-hearted to accept anything more merciful.
jesus clearly states this:.
You all seem to be forgetting one very important point. What point? This: the laws given to Israel at Mt. Sinai were exactly that! It was a law given ONLY to the nation of Israel and no one else. Why others take on the laws of other nations is beyond me. If you were never Israel, those laws didn't and don't apply to you--not a single one of them. If they do not apply to you, then neither do the penalties for breaking those apply to you. If you are not Israel, taking those laws and applying to yourselves is . . . well . . . shall we say "stupid." That would be like U. S. citizens taking the laws of Saudi Arabia and living by those arabian laws while living here in the U. S. Would you do that? Then why do you take Israel's laws and apply them to yourselves? We've done that because "our" religious leaders said they applied to us. Wrong!
Just a thought. Do with it as you will.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you have peace!.
a little while ago i was directed to share with you the true appearance and composite of spirit beings, including our lord.
finally, at one point, i said to him, "how long have you been living?
It's interesting that in the Sumerian cunieform writing the symbol "rib" means "life." --Inkie
it's amazing what you notice when you go through the bible again with a changed worldview.
this week's watchtower-assigned bible reading is the opening chapters of 1 samuel.
this little gem just jumped off the page at me:.
When are you people going to STOP!? Stop accusing Jah as being a horrendous Being. Yes, He has killed some, but wouldn’t you kill too if someone where threatening AND killing your loved ones as well. That would make you a “killer” too, yes? But would your motive for doing so be bad? Wouldn’t those who “know” you be glad and grateful? However, those who didn’t know you would bring you up on charges of murder, wouldn’t they?
You people are a trip. Because religion has messed you up entirely, you turn on God like rabid dogs.
Jaheshua came to tell us of the truth of his Father. Listen to Him. The lies written by the Scribes are something else. The lies you spout about Jah are something else. Time and time and time again Jah has lovingly warned of consequences. Yet we fail to heed. Sometimes Jah has no other choice but to inhale. (Job 34:14) We have given Him no choice.
Hate religion! Hate religion with all of your gusto. Do not blaspheme Jah. Oh you poor people.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you have peace!.
a week or so ago i ran across a post asking what happens when we die.
i had meant to respond then, but got distracted and then could not find the post again.
Hey Glad, sometimes "truths," regardless of their age, can be "New Things Learned," Yes?
question #1: what does anointed mean to you, who are they?.
question #2: is it selfish to want the 'gift' (paradise, heaven, etc.
) from god?
Terry,
For God to deal one on one spirit anointing Christians is to do away with the necessity of organizing for evangelism.
And isn’t that exactly what the Nazarene said he would be doing in John 10:3, 4?
3 the gatekeeper lets him in, the sheep hear his voice, one by one he calls his own sheep and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all those that are his, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow because they know his voice.
God has always been free to contact whomever for conversion and anointing has He not?
Absolutely Yes! God will have ‘mercy upon whomever he chooses to have mercy.’
The real McGuffin is Christianity as an Historical "fact".
“Christianity” is not of the Christ. It may be that He will say to them/it: “Get away from me you workers of lawlessness. I never knew you.”
--Inkie
question #1: what does anointed mean to you, who are they?.
question #2: is it selfish to want the 'gift' (paradise, heaven, etc.
) from god?
JWoods,
One interesting thing about the practically unique notion the witnesses have developed on the "Anointed" is that the witnesses themselves have absolutely no clear answer on how a person really knows they are "Anointed".
Sad to say, this is true.
After all, until Rutherford thought up the "great crowd", all the witnesses were anointed and it was no big deal.
Funny thing too is when they did away with the “great tribulation” (back in 1969) and made it a future event, that automatically did away with the existence of the “great crowd” now, as their coming out of the “great tribulation” must also be a future event. Everybody missed that one.
But now it is made out to be practically like the conversion of Saul of Tarsus - and yet it is still completely a mystery over what actually happens.
If you re-read your biblical texts concerning those who have had an experience with the risen Christ, you will note that something specific happened to them. The experience of Saul/Paul is a prime example of that. He was able to describe in detail what happened to him quite well, yes? Others in the biblical narratives of being chosen and anointed also have had experiences that they can specifically describe as well. It follows then too that others can do likewise if they indeed have been anointed. If a person cannot describe with specificity what happened to them when they were anointed, well . . . then . . . one might have reason to question their having been anointed.
But even so, the describing of what happened to one when he/she was anointed is rather subjective, yes? I can tell you what happened to me but because you did not experience what I experienced doesn’t in any way negate what happened to me. It just hasn’t happened to you—yet. And the experiences can be different too. What actually happens when one has been anointed is not a mystery—not in truth or in fact.
Blessings.
question #1: what does anointed mean to you, who are they?.
question #2: is it selfish to want the 'gift' (paradise, heaven, etc.
) from god?
Hi Terry:
Martin Luther removed any organization from between a believer and God.
Terry, this is not true. The Nazarene removed the only existing organization that was ever sanctioned by God between a believer and God. After the removal of that organization no other organization ever replaced it. The replacement of that originally sanctioned organization by another organization is a fabrication made up by those who wanted control of others.
Luther came up with a principle called SOLA SCRIPTURA (the bible alone).
True.
The Catholic Church presented itself as the sole authority as a necessity for believers to have any relationship with God.
Very true and sounds just like the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. Both claim to be the “visible representation of Christ on earth.” Wow! I don’t know about now, but at one time even the Eastern Orthodox Church claimed the same thing. Wow!
The Watchtower Society wants the same authority as the Catholic Church without appearing to be similar.
Boy, did you say it!
Either the CATHOLIC doctrine of Majesterium is correct, or Martin Luther's Sola Scriptura (just you and your Bible) is correct---OR....a third possibility exists.
Mayble the whole PREMISE is false---all of it!
Terry, both the Magisterium and Martin Luther’s sola scriptura are in error. There is only one mediator between God and men and that is the Nazarene. Martin Luther’s sola scriptura, while sounding nice, is also in error as the Nazarene said to some: “You are searching the scriptures because you think that by means of them you will have life. . . .” or said another way, ‘you won’t get life by searching the scriptures.’ You get life by going to the Nazarene. (John 5:39, 40)
Maybe nobody anywhere at any time has any connection to Divine anything. It is all delusion.
While I understand what you have stated here, I must say that this statement is not true. I know of many have experienced an anointing, including me. Yes, it was subjective for me, but I cannot deny that it occurred for me.
We are in charge of our own life and do the best we can and nobody in the sky or in an office building is going to be of any help.
Again, while I understand why you write this, and while I agree that we to a point are in charge of our own lives and that we must do the best we can, there is someone to help us. That one is Jah and by means of his Son the Nazarene, he does help us. I know he’s helped me.
Is it SELFISH to want a direct connection to GOD?
No.
It is merely delusional, in my opinion.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I respect it, Terry. My opinion, however, is entirely different nor is it delusional.
Respectfully yours....
question #1: what does anointed mean to you, who are they?.
question #2: is it selfish to want the 'gift' (paradise, heaven, etc.
) from god?
Question #1: What does Anointed mean to you, who are they?
Are you speaking of the “Anointed” among the religious organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses? Or are you asking of those actually anointed by God?
The Anointed of any religious organization are nothing.
Now, the anointed of God are something special. They are a ‘royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession.’ That is how God describes them. It is not how they see or view themselves. The anointed of God, having been anointed by God with holy spirit, are admonished by him to transform themselves into people who continually display the fruit of that holy spirit, you know: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, self-control, etc., etc., etc. The anointed of God are individuals who have been called out of the pen/sheepfold by the Gatekeeper/Door and who having been chosen out of the pen receive an anointing by the Nazarene. They follow the Nazarene wherever he leads them. For example:
1 'In all truthI tell you, anyone who does not enter the sheepfold through the gate, but climbs in some other way, is a thief and a bandit. 2 He who enters through the gate is the shepherd of the flock; 3 the gatekeeper lets him in, the sheep hear his voice, one by one he calls his own sheep and leads them out. 4 When he has brought out all those that are his, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow because they know his voice. 5 They will never follow a stranger, but will run away from him because they do not recognise the voice of strangers.'—John 10:1-5, New Jerusalem Bible.
Notice the Nazarene does not lead or congregate them into another pen/sheepfold. He leads them out—individually—one by oneout of the pen to become a flock led by the Shepherd to find pasturage. (Read more of John, chapter 10.) The flock is free, not confined, and outside of any pen.
Question #2: Is it selfish to want the 'Gift' (paradise, heaven, etc.) from God? Even if it meant sacrificing your loved ones fellowship here on earth today?
Selfishness can be both a good thing and it can be a bad thing. It depends. Your question probably uses the bad connotation of the word. Thus, the answer to your question is, no, it is not selfish to want the ‘Gift.’ A gift is something that is undeserved. Often unexpected. A gift is a blessing. Receiving the gift does not mean that you have to sacrifice fellowship with your loved ones. That’s Watchtower thinking and indoctrination. Your premise is flawed. On the contrary, God and the Nazarene want you to fellowship with your family. Let go of the Watchtower thinking and indoctrination.
It is no wonder that you would be confused by Witness theology. It’s very confusing. It’s simply not true. The questions you ask are based on the false premises of the Society’s teachings. Let them go.
