Posts by Inkie
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79Who are the 24 Elders?
by LittleToe inrevelation 4, 5, 11 & 19 talk of twenty four elders, before the throne of god.. the wts interpretation has them as the anointed in heaven, but that just doesn't wash, as they are seen to be observers of events that apparently involve folks still on earth.
by their account they have 23.5 elders in heaven and half a body on the ground, so to speak.. any ideas who these are?.
(i have an speculation, which i'll mention later).
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Place Those Books and Magazines!! Now!!
by Inkie injust another quote for ya'll's enjoyment:.
the watchtower, july 1, 1943, ppg.
204-06 - "righteous requirements".
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Inkie
Just another quote for ya'll's enjoyment:
The Watchtower, July 1, 1943, ppg. 204-06 - "Righteous Requirements"
"The call to action going forth to the Lord's people throughout the earth at this time is a righteous call, and action is a righteous requirement. This call to action the Lord's people have received particularly since October 1938. In 1938, the Lord through The Watchtower presented indisputable scriptural proof establishing the fact that Jehovah is the Great Theocrat, that Christ Jesus is his anointed king, and that in 1918 the king came to his temple class composed of the consecrated, spirit-begotten and anointed members of his body...
"There is only one organization on earth today fulfilling the righteous requirements outlined in this commission from the Lord. The Society, represented by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, is the only one....
"The 'Society' is... fulfilling this commission. We should not expect more than one organization doing this work, and the fact that there is no other proves clearly who is the 'faithful and wise servant' whom the Lord places over his household. The Lord did not commission a number of servants to act for him, nor did he scatter his work and goods over a great many organizations. No! There could be only one 'servant'....
"This Society was authorized by the Lord to bring forth things new and old for the household of faith and do the work for which the Lord had organized it.
"The Lord always issues his call to action in an organized, systematic manner.
"Every organization requires specific instructions for those who serve in it. In the past the Lord issued his 'organization instructions' to his servants through his central agency or channel. Each one joyfully accepted his part therein and faithfully carried it out.
"These expressions of God's will by his king and through his established agency constitute his law or rule of action for the 'faithful and wise servant' and for their good-will companions today who will dwell upon the earth forever in the new world. The Lord breaks down our organization instructions further and makes them more practicable by further instructing us through his 'faithful and wise servant'. He says, 'Let us assign the field, the world, to special pioneers, regular pioneers and companies of Jehovah's Witnesses in an orderly way, sufficient for everyone to thoroughly witness therein, and let us place upon each one the responsibility of caring for the New World interests in these respective assignments.' He says, 'The requirements for Special Pioneers shall be 175 hours and 50 back-calls per month, which should develop into a reasonable number of studies; and for regular pioneers, 150 hours and as many back-calls and studies as can be properly developed during that time. And for company publishers,' he says, 'let us make a quota of 60 hours and 12 back-calls and at least one study a week for each publisher.' These directions come to us from the Lord through his established agency directing what is required of us; and for those who really love the Lord and are guided by his counsel, that is a reasonable service requirement. This expression of the Lord's will should be the end of all controversy. It is for your good that these requirements are made; for thereby, you are enabled to prove your integrity and magnify the Lord's name.
"These directions from the Lord come to us as individuals and as collective units called 'companies'. Almost everyone who is consecrated to the Lord recognizes that a company requires organization in order to function properly, but not all of these same brethren appreciate the fact that they as individuals require just as complete an organization to carry out their individual responsibilties as the company does. To illustrate: All realize that every company should have definite assignment of territory in which to witness, but not all appreciate that each individual in that company should have his or her own personal assignment of territory in which to witness. It is just as foolish for a publisher to conclude that he can serve the Lord properly without a personal assignment as it would be for a company to decide that it could function acceptably to the Lord without a territory assignment.... Every intelligent person will admit that that would be not only foolishness but rank unfaithfulness to the Lord... Consequently, it is a measure of unfaithfulness to the Lord to thus waste time and energy that belongs to him.
"The time has come when each one must bear his own burden fully before the Lord. With the provisions that the Lord has now made in supplying us with new books, question booklets, which contain complete instructions for properly carrying on a study, etc., there is absolutely no excuse for anyone, man or woman, to claim to be unable to accept an individual territory assignment and assume full responsibility for it...
"The Lord, through his 'faithful and wise servant' now states to us, 'Let us cover our territory four times in six months.' That becomes our organization instructions and has the same binding force on us that his statement to the Logos had when he said, 'Let us make man in our image.' It is our duty to accept this additional instruction and obey it. But someone will say, 'The conditions are different. In the case of the Logos, he could accomplish what Jehovah commanded him to do; but when it comes to covering our territory four times in six months, that is out of all reason. We have never covered it more than once, at the most, twice in six months. It just can't be done.' We have all heard that argument before. And if it were true it would look bad indeed, and would imply that the Lord was asking us to do something that is impossible for us to accomplish. The children of Israel walked around Jericho seven times the last day.
"The territory now being covered one to two times in six months could very easily be covered four to six times in the same period if everyone took his kingdom responsibilities seriously. This is not theory, but actual facts based on figures gleaned from a number of companies during the past six months...
Sooooo... what ya'll waitin' for? Turn off that computer and grab that bookbag... and get to work!
--Inkie
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College Anyone?
by Inkie indid you know that there was a time when the society believed in attending college?
yep, there was.
note some interesting excerpts from consolation, volume xxiv, number 613, march 17, 1943, pages 3-16.new world college is dedicated.
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Inkie
Euphemism: Yes, I am aware that Gilead is the Society's missionary school and that it lasts only six months and all the rest as you say. I was being facetious. The Society also admits that its workers are an Order of their religious organization. Makes you just shake your head at how much like Christendom they really are. Oh well. As Jesus said: 'By your words you will be declared righteous and by your words you will be condemned.' That was a paraphrase by the way.
Greven: Yes, I think I can send you a pdf of the entire article. I'll have to do it tomorrow. (I'm at work right now.) I just found the Watchtower article of same too. That article is even more detailed than the Consolation article. I'll send you both.
--Inkie
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College Anyone?
by Inkie indid you know that there was a time when the society believed in attending college?
yep, there was.
note some interesting excerpts from consolation, volume xxiv, number 613, march 17, 1943, pages 3-16.new world college is dedicated.
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Inkie
Did you know that there was a time when the Society believed in attending college? Yep, there was. Note some interesting excerpts from Consolation, Volume XXIV, Number 613, March 17, 1943, pages 3-16.
New World College is Dedicated
A NEW WORLD of righteousness is at hand. As one of the visible evidences of its imminence a college of the highest learning was dedicated the first day of February, this year. The opening of this college in the midst of a world engaged in total war resulting in destruction of many institutions of higher learning and the closing down of others is quite in the opposite direction from the course of the old world....
The new college is dedicated to the work of educating the people in these matters affecting their eternal destinies. Hence the establishment of the college is not an indication that the battle of Armageddon is farther off then has been believed hitherto by students of Bible prophecy and the times, but is a strong indication that the time till that battle is short.
The New World College is not a religious affair, but is Christian, and hence meets the people's greatest need of the hours.
It is plain, then, that the establishment of the New World college is not by men, but is the provision of Almighty God at His due time and according to His infinite mercy to mankind.
Its Name and Location
Why this institution ranks as a college, and why it has been so named, we leave to the president thereof to explain, as follows:
The word "college" appears in the Bible record at 2 Kings 22:14 and 2 Chronicles 34:22, in connection with the typical Theocracy over the Israelites. It was at the capital city, Jerusalem. The word "college" is here translated from the Hebrew word mishneh, which means literally "doubling or repeating". If the word here means an institution of learning, where the prophetess Huldah dwelt, then it marks a "college" as a place where instruction on special subjects is repeated but in an advanced and more intensified way so as to increase one's familiarity, capacity and efficiency therein, and thus doubling one's ability. It is a secondary institution, and hence farther advanced than a primary one. Such, indeed, is the Watchtower Bible College of Gilead. It is so called because it is operated and maintained by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Inc., of New York, and the college faculty of instructors are ordained ministers who are representatives of the Society. Though listed according to the law of the land as a "religious institution", it is in fact a Christian college for Bible training.
This is a college of the highest learning, Theocratic learning concerning the Most High God, Jehovah, and His capital organization under Christ, and the operations of its visible part now on the earth. Hence it is not a college of so-called "higher learning" according to the standards of this world.
Registration
Early in January the Watchtower office at Brooklyn began sending out detailed questionnaires to all full-time ministers, pioneers, in the United States whose record showed they met the minimum requirements for qualification as students. One requirement is that they must have been full-time Kingdom publishers preaching the gospel from house to house for at least two years.
The President's Speech
The thoughts of all in attendance were fixed upon Jehovah God and His King, Christ Jesus, who are the Founders of this college and to whose glory and service this college is now to be dedicated....It is NOT the purpose of this college to equip you to be ordained ministers. You are ministers already and have been active in the ministry for years....The course of study at the college is for the exclusive purpose of preparing you to be more able ministers in the territories to which you go....
Watchtower Directors Speak
[The Vice President] pressed home the point that Jehovah does not do things such as establish a school through His earthy organization in vain; and that His purpose could now be clearly seen in acquiring the property and constructing the building where the college is operated.
Another of the Watchtower Society directors was asked to speak. "The Watchtower Bible College of Gilead is no experiment," he began; "Jehovah God does not indulge in experiements." Quoting Acts 5:38, 39, he emphasized that this work was not of man, but of God....[I]t was the Lord's due time for the Watchtower Bible College to be established now, after A.D. 1938.
Study Classes Open
Then [President Knorr] dismissed the assembly by offering a fervent prayer to the Most High God, the supreme, invisible Director of this Bible college.
Student Reactions
[T]he students effervesced with joy and appreciation over their privileges of study, and the method of instruction, and the comprehensive course of study ahead of them. "Attending college is just wonderful!" exclaimed one young lady. Quite a number enrolled at Gilead are also graduates of worldly universities and colleges, and several of these remarked upon the superiority of the training and education they were beginning to receive here at Gilead.
The Watchtower Bible College of Gilead is now a reality, a going concern. It is in verity a New World college...This college is no mere accident; it is a divine provision.
It is to be expected that the influence of the college, under God's blessing, protection and guidance, will make itself felt to the ends of the earth through the sending forth of its graduates.
And there you have a few excerpts from the above-referenced magazine.
--Inkie
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To All Johannes Greber Fans (Or Not)
by Inkie ini am amazed at how many people misquote mr. greber.
but i am not amazed that the society misquotes him.
unfortunately, many people take what the society says in its misquoting and further misquote him, just compounding the misquoting.
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Inkie
I am amazed at how many people misquote Mr. Greber. But I am not amazed that the Society misquotes him. Unfortunately, many people take what the Society says in its misquoting and further misquote him, just compounding the misquoting. For those of you who are interested though, in doing research for yourself to see what Mr. Greber really did say, someone is selling a CD-Rom of Greber's New Testament on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3541991206&category=29361
I, on the other hand, am selling my personal copy of the actual New Testament by Mr. Greber.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3542040722&category=1120
Just thought I'd share this information in case anyone is interested. If not interested, don't bother. Thanks.
Inkie
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To All Johannes Greber Fans (Or Not)
by Inkie ini am amazed at how many people misquote mr. greber.
but i am not amazed that the society misquotes him.
unfortunately, many people take what the society says in its misquoting and further misquote him, just compounding the misquoting.
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Inkie
I am amazed at how many people misquote Mr. Greber. But I am not amazed that the Society misquotes him. Unfortunately, many people take what the Society says in its misquoting and further misquote him, just compounding the misquoting. For those of you who are interested though, in doing research for yourself to see what Mr. Greber really did say, someone is selling a CD-Rom of Greber's New Testament on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3541991206&category=29361
I, on the other hand, am selling my personal copy of the actual New Testament by Mr. Greber.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3542040722&category=1120
Just thought I'd share this information in case anyone is interested. If not interested, don't bother. Thanks.
Inkie
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Blasphemy
by ClassAvenger ini was asked how come the bible says that god forgives blasphemy to the father and the son, but not the holy spirit.
if they all are god, what makes the person of the holy spirit more important regarding blasphemy than the father or the son.
sorry, i don't know much about the bible, but i'm trying to learn here, alright?
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Inkie
The passage doesn't mention God, but only blasphemy against the Son and Holy Spirit. The Son can be blasphemed because he was a sacrifice both for those who would accept him and those who rejected him. (Romans 11) The Holy Spirit however is a gift that gives life. If you reject the gift, then you're rejecting life. And there is no other source of life except the gift that God gives through Christ, the Holy Spirit.
Inkie
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Physical and/or Spiritual
by Inkie inno doubt all (with few and rare exceptions) believe that the physical world exists.
however, what i should like to know is, how many here believe that a spiritual world exists?
and, if you believe that a spiritual world exists, do you believe that the two worlds (or universes, call it what you like) each exist separately and distinct one from the other?
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Inkie
No doubt all (with few and rare exceptions) believe that the physical world exists. However, what I should like to know is, how many here believe that a spiritual world exists? And, if you believe that a spiritual world exists, do you believe that the two worlds (or universes, call it what you like) each exist separately and distinct one from the other? or do you believe the two worlds exist within each other, overlapping each other, so to speak? inter-connected with each other, so that one is dependent on the other? (Maybe "dependent" is a wrong word.)
Your sincere responses would be appreciated. Thank you. --Inkie
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Blueblades Gog of Magog Post
by Inkie ingreetings: i was just reading for the first time blueblades post about gog of magog as well as the responses to it.
quite interesting actually.
however, i noted that no one mentioned the biblical verses concerning this subject recorded by the apostle john in his revelation 20:7, 8. i think, considering the society's teaching on this subject, that it's a pretty important point to make.
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Inkie
Greetings: I was just reading for the first time Blueblades post about Gog of Magog as well as the responses to it. Quite interesting actually. However, I noted that no one mentioned the biblical verses concerning this subject recorded by the apostle John in his Revelation 20:7, 8. I think, considering the Society's teaching on this subject, that it's a pretty important point to make. The verses read:
"Now as soon as the thousand years were ended, Satan will be let loose out of his prison, and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war."
You might want to read the verses surrounding these two in order to get more of the context but I think these two particular verses are most interesting. The Society has this occuring soon before the thousand years begins while the Revelation has is after the thousand years. Who is correct? John? Or the Society? Is Gog destroyed twice? And, what war is "the war" referenced here? Hasn't "the war" always been Armaggedon?
Inkie
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Dearest Siegswife...
by AGuest inthe greatest of love and peace to you, lea... and i think we are saying the same thing.
true, it seems unusual for the word "hymen" to be used.
what i first received i thought to be the "cervix"; my goodness, i had completely forgotten how the female body is truly constructed and that anything otherwise existed!
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Inkie
AGuest: A minor yet important correction. "Simon Peter answered: 'Lord, WHOM shall we go away to? You have the sayings of everlasting life. . . .'"--John 6:68. Whom, not where.
--Inkie