can you believe amazon was selling this crap?
they finally took the "guide" down after tons of people said they were through with amazon.com..
disgusting!!!.
Guys!
I totally "get" the outrage against the book and/or its writer and publisher. I get it. But tell me, why do some here object to the biblical account of God allegedly wiping out the Canaanites when the Canaanites did the same OR WORSE?
Seems like Finally-Free's thinking is along the same lines as God's.
I'm just asking. Just asking.
--Inkie
inkie keep shining on with the spirit of your lord... .
google_ad_section_end myelaine: (regarding one of your posts elsewhere.
just as a helpful fyi, my moniker here is spelled with an initial majuscule, not a miniscule.
inkie keep shining on with the spirit of your lord...
...very helpful.
myelaine: (Regarding one of your posts elsewhere. . . .)
Just as a helpful FYI, my moniker here is spelled with an initial majuscule, not a miniscule. Get it right. (Incidentally, you might try using some correct punctuation when you write.) As for your directive to me to “keep shining on,” you know not whereof you speak. You might think that what I wrote was a pejorative descriptive term, on my part. I promise you, it was not. It would behoove you to get YOUR facts straight.
Oh, Jerry! Oooohhhh, Jeeerrryyy! Jerry! Come out! Come out! Where ever you are. Admit to it again, Jerry. Lay claim to it. Tell myelaine who you are. Tell myelaine how you describe yourself. Identify yourself to myelaine and everyone else here too. Or would you prefer that I do it for you? Which would show you up to be a coward now, wouldn’t it, Jerry? Nah . . . never mind.
myelaine: As for the ‘spirit of [my] lord,’ which you say is ‘very helpful.’ In truth? It/He is. My Lord is recorded to have said: ‘By your [own] words you will be declared righteous and by your [own] words you will be condemned.’ (Bracketed words mine.) What, pray tell, makes you think that what I wrote were ‘my words’ when addressing Jerry? The words I wrote, myelaine, were simply words that may or may not come back upon the man who first wrote them to bite him in the derriere. C’est bon!
While I, personally, do not like to be the recipient of sarcasm, I also do not like to dish it out. There are times, however, when sarcasm is quite apropos. But it’s usually not when done by humans, as we cannot control it very well. My Lord, on occasion, is recorded to have made some sarcastic remarks. And certainly his Father, Jah, did. All one need do is read the book of Job to know that. You have read the book of Job, yes? Consider how Jah spoke to Job. But I wasn’t being sarcastic, myelaine. Not in the least. I was being accurate. Something people here do not necessarily like; maybe even you.
--Inkie
do you believe that just because you start your posts with, may you have peace, that you are genuinely kind?
when in actuality, when you greet people with that message, then follow it with sarcasm and snide remarks, you are really being cruel.
when was cruelty ever synonymous with being faithful?
Of course, the G.E.D. dummy would respond to this thread, wouldn't he? And it's no wonder that he is a G.E.D. dummy, as he can't even get the spelling of the Lord's name correct especially considering that he's read her posts with the correct spelling countless times. Obviously, we now know why he's a G.E.D. dummy.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
SA, I stand corrected, educated, and edified. My spirit totally agrees with the biblical points you pointed out to me. Thank you. When you quoted the biblical texts I had no choice but to agree as I have read these texts before on numerous occasions. Thank you for the admonishment. --Inkie
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
Designs, you wrote:
Why this need to pat themselves on the back and point a finger at 'the others'. Here it seems like having a phenominal experience is part of the sign you are in the club but when the GB syas they get inspiration from above its considered false. . . . 'The voices I hear are from God, yours are from the Devil'. Hmmm
Designs, you could not be more mistaken. Where did you ever get the thought or idea that I (or we) were ever patting ourselves on the back? I (we) haven't done ANYTHING that warrants receiving a pat on the back. The Governing Body ("GB") has taught that they are "anointed." Far be it from me to say they are not, although I do have my serious doubts about that. But I wouldn't tell them (or anyone else for that matter) that they are NOT anointed. That is between them, God, and Christ, as someone else stated here in this thread. Jaheshua, however, did say that "by their fruits you will know them" meaning that by seeing the things they say and do one can discern if they are imposters or not. You do know this, right? Also, it is also written that there are anointed ones who, unfortunately and to their own detriment, prove false to their choosing/anointing. In the Bible they are called adultresses. These are anointed ones who have left their husband--the Christ.
Tec is correct when she said that all "we" do is try to point and direct people TO THE CHRIST. That is it. You go to him, not us.
--Inkie
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
Designs, you are mistaken. This is not the same at all. The other sheep of which the Bible speaks are a different "fold" (Gentiles) but are made into ONE flock WITH the elect (to use your word). They are all elect. On the contrary, Designs, this is not a dividing of Christians but a uniting of Christians.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
BXJW: You are very welcome. Keep believing. You might read Luke 11:5-13, but especially verses 10-13. --Inkie
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
You are correct, BXJW, it doesn't mean that and it is NOT an audible voice. It is not a voice that one hears with one's physical ears. If it were audible in that way, then everyone (even unbelievers and enemies of God and Christ) would hear it, wouldn't they? Remember, Christ said: "I am with YOU (his anointed) all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." He also said: "I will not leave you bereft." It is a voice that one hears with one's "spiritual" ears--on the "inside" of one's self.
When I first began "to hear," it sounded like my own voice speaking to me. I decided to test it (as the biblical text admonishes us to do) and I put my little faith in what I heard it say. No, it is not a "deep" male voice so to speak, although it does sound male to me. It's a pleasant voice, soft-spoken, gentle and kind, caring. I hear it day and night, but not constantly. When I turn my attention to Him, he is immediately there for me--immediately--and he acknowledges his presence to me each and every time. And he does speak to me. Other times, when I least expect it, he warns me of something or he admonishes me regarding things. One time, a long time ago, I remember distinctly, when I was tempted to do something I should not do, his voice came to me and was loud and clear so that I might not be mistaken as to who it was that was speaking to me. It was a warning for me not to do this thing (for my own benefit), but it was not a command. It was unmistakeable (to me). It was not a "Thou shalt not" type of voice. It was a strong warning, and it was loud, but it was a caring voice that spoke to me. I have trusted the voice ever since. And I didn't do the tempting deed. Thank God!
--Inkie
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
BXJW:
No doubt SA will respond on her own.
Nonetheless, she is quoting what our Lord said about his sheep. His sheep listen to his voice. So they HEAR him. According to the biblical text, he "calls" his sheep OUT from the pen. His sheep respond and come out. (The others, who are not his sheep, are not called out and stay in the pen.) Those sheep who respond to the call are chosen and receive an anointing. And in the receiving of that anointing are made Christians. So, a Christian is definitely one who HAS RECEIVED AN ANOINTING--totally and absolutely. A Christian ALSO hears his Lord. There is no two-tier Christianity involved.
Just because one calls himself a Christian does not make it so. The word "Christain" is defined as an "Anointed Person." Obviously, if you haven't been anointed with holy spirit you cannot be a Christian (anointed person) plain and simple.
In the Society's publications "they" often use the phrase "anointed Christian." That is SO redundant because they are in fact saying "anointed anointed person." Why doesn't it surprise me?
--Inkie
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
BXJW: You wrote:
It was merely an example of what many Christians experience. If some Christians are only disciples and only those who hear an audible voice are Christians then does not make for a two tier Christianity much like the Witnesses?
Actually, if truth be told, it is an 'example of what many [claiming to be] Christian experience.' Not necessarily that they are Christian. As AGuest said, ONLY persons who have received an anointing ARE Christians. Plain and simple. People who claim to be Chrisitans but WHO HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN ANOINTING are ONLY disciples. However, many people HEAR VOICES. It is our duty to check the "inspired expression" that is heard to make sure that it comes from God or Christ. That instruction is even contained in the Bible.
A Christian is one who BOTH hears his Lord and one who has received an anointing from him, but it is the anointing that makes one a Christian in the true meaning of the word.
--Inkie
