I Am Curious, So A Couple/Few Questions, If I May...

AGuest

To the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!

I am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by Paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding John's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the Spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring. I am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.

I am curious... because I am concerned. Yes, it appears to have been awhile since such kinds of "secrets" were last revealed... but do we know that to be true? We don't, really, do we? We DO know that for centuries "certain men" have tried to decide FOR us what is true, what is not, what is inspired, what is not... men who are not part of the Body of Christ, but indeed enemies of that Body. I feel, however, such a fear among some of you... that even while a revelation may be true, may bear truthful witness with YOUR spirit... because "certain men" have not said it to be true, you are not only unable to fully accept it (and I don't blame you, there)... you are also unable to go the One who leads US... and NOT the world... and ask of him (for which I WOULD take exception, if you are indeed who you say you are). Indeed, a group of men or some "council"... who neither possess holy spirit... or know the Holy Spirit... can come together and say, "This is acceptable; put your faith in it!"... and, well, there we go... our feet running toward it... and them.

But when our Lord himself says, "Come!"... we find all kinds of reasons, excuses, explanations, etc., to keep from doing so.

Please... help me understand, but truly I do not. I do not understand how one can say one is joined to Christ... cannot HEAR the One they are joined to... but won't go to him so as TO hear.

So, I am asking the questions above, as well as WHO it was you believe revealed such "sacred secrets" to Paul... how... and when and for what reason did he/she stop speaking, if indeed he/she spoke at all?

[A note to those who are NOT of the Household of God, Israel... or who do not go with that "house"... I kindly ask you to refrain from commenting, if you can. I understand if you cannot. But if not, please know my request is on the record and so do not take offense if I do not respond to your comments. Thank you!]

Again, may you all have peace!

Servant to the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with... and a slave of Christ,

SA

Black Sheep

the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by Paul

It is the same source as for the Noo Lite of the Watchtower.

tec

The source of the secrets is Christ, the helper, the spirit of truth, and I see absolutely no reason that Paul would be (or would have been) the last to receive them. Indeed he was not, if we are even just to believe John in Revelations.

I think the only reason that the 'gifts' would stop altogether would be because faith in those gifts, in HIM, had stopped.

The gifts themselves would be to build up the body of Christ. To help bring in those who are (currently) outside, to help strengthen those who are inside, to be used for the benefit of others above all (freely received, freely given), perhaps also to show the nature of Christ and his Father - and that they would be given to whomever and for whatever best suits his will. Maybe the particular gift is also what is best suited to that person.

But when our Lord himself says, "Come!"... we find all kinds of reasons, excuses, explanations, etc., to keep from doing so. Please... help me understand, but truly I do not. I do not understand how one can say one is joined to Christ... cannot HEAR the One they are joined to... but won't go to him so as TO hear.

I don't know either. I believe that He is speaking to me. I don't know what is standing in my way of hearing, or how to be rid of that thing. I mean, I think I know in part... but I don't KNOW, know. Fear is very loud. Commitment is a scary concept. Truly committing (not for a day or a week, but for all time) is frightening. I want to, and I go so far, and I feel so close... and then something stops me.

I don't expect you, Shelby, to fix that for me. I will and do go to Him, and ask Him to help me See and Hear. I will ask Him to fix me - and I will continue to knock.

Peace to you also,

Tammy

AGuest

Fear is very loud.

Isn't it, dear tec (the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one!)? More than most of us know. Unfortunately, our Adversary WELL knows it. Do not despair, though, dear one, but take heart - your FAITH is known... even in the heights! How can it NOT be??

You do know that I love you, don't you, dear tec? You are such a kind, mild, peaceful, loving, faithful servant, how could I not? We think we have to SEE someone... with our eyes... in order to know and love them. This very board should show ALL of us that that is absolutely NOT the case. All we have to do... is listen to one another.

And it is the exact SAME thing with our Lord, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. All we need to do... is listen. And put FAITH... in what we hear from him! We don't NEED to see him, not at all. And I have NO doubt... that you will get there one day, too!

In the meantime, may the undeserved kindness and mercy of our heavenly Father, the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... and the love and PEACE of His Son and Christ, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... be upon you, my dear, dear sister in Christ... and your household... to time indefinite!

Peace to you!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

Shel

watersprout

I truly believe there is a lot of fear with ones...As Tammy said [hi Tammy *waves*] commitment is a scary thing...Especially when it involves faith...It's easier for many to ''trust'' and have ''faith'' in something they can see...Like an organization of men. *sigh*

You know Shelly i am not a fan of the apostle Paul...I disagree with the rules he bought in... All Jaheshua ever taught was love... There were no rules. I never understood why Paul said that the gifts of the ''spirit'' stopped with him...Why did they stop? What was the purpose for them to stop? Humankind has carried on for two thousand years since Paul was on the earth, so that makes no sense!

Are not the ''gifts'' of the spirit used to help ones? To show love to our fellow man as Jaheshua did while on the earth and still does from the spiritual realm...Are not the ''gifts'' used to take ones to Jaheshua and to build up the body??

Just my thoughts

Peace my sisters in Christ Mwah mwah mwah

Broken Promises

Who determines who really is (or isn't) of the household of God? Who is to say if someone isn't a member of the household of God? Isn't that something to be determined by God himeself, and not a mere human?

watersprout

Who determines who really is (or isn't) of the household of God?

The most holy one of Isreal JAH OF ARMIES.

Who is to say if someone isn't a member of the household of God?

No man can say whether someone is or isn't. Only JAH decides.

Isn't that something to be determined by God himeself, and not a mere human?

Exactly!

I'm not really sure what your getting at.

Peace

Broken Promises

Well, Shelby said that she wouldn't respond to those who weren't of the household of God. So how would she know? According to your answers, she doesn't.

Listener

Broken Promises said :

Who determines who really is (or isn't) of the household of God? Who is to say if someone isn't a member of the household of God? Isn't that something to be determined by God himeself, and not a mere human?

That is so the truth and the bible says let no man be judge. The FDS has not yet been appointed as judges and they have gone way beyond just critiscm of others.

watersprout

What Shelby said was this

[A note to those who are NOT of the Household of God, Israel... or who do not go with that "house"...

The ones Shelby is referring to are those who have said they are not of the Household of God or do not go with that house...Shelby has never judged someone and deceided whether or not they belong to Gods house...These ones have said it themselves...If you look over some of Shelby's recent posts you will see the abuse she gets off certain posters, and i think that all Shelby wanted was for this thread to be abuse free. [correct me if i am wrong Shelby]

Peace

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