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no blood cards this year!

by DIM in

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last night at meeting they told us to just use our blood cards from last year.

in the past they've always told us how important it was to get it signed every year so that people could see our current views as jw's.....doesn't this new arangement negate everything they've ever said in regards to this?

absolutely nuts!.

Jourles

Wow

Alan said:

The old cards read something like, "I will not take blood..." whereas the new ones read, "I will not take allogenic blood..." Now, "allogenic" refers to blood from another person, as opposed to "autologous" blood, which refers to one's own blood.

That almost sounds correct. Our PO said multiple times "autologous blood" and that we DO NOT accept this form of transfusion from our own blood. He specifically made sure that he pronounced it correctly and that another bro had told him that it would take him longer to understand it before he could spell it.

I have in front of me a new blood card(I think)-- at least it does not have the 3/99 date at the bottom as they pointed out at the meeting. I wonder if this "short supply" of cards came from a very early printing?? This card has no date whatsoever on it anywhere. Here is the 'meat' of the directive:

I direct that no blood transfusions(whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets, or blood plasma) be given to me under any circumstances, even if physicians deem such necessary to preserve my life or health.....
This legal directive is an exercise of my right to accept or to refuse medical treatment in accord with my deeply held values and convictions.....
I also know that there are various dangers associated with blood transfusions. So I have decided to avoid such dangers and, instead, to accept whatever risks may seem to be involved in my choice of alternative nonblood management.

If someone has one of the 3/99 cards handy, check and see if there are any differences in the wording. The wording that I left out is fluff and I know is repetitive of the 3/99 cards.

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no blood cards this year!

by DIM in

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last night at meeting they told us to just use our blood cards from last year.

in the past they've always told us how important it was to get it signed every year so that people could see our current views as jw's.....doesn't this new arangement negate everything they've ever said in regards to this?

absolutely nuts!.

Jourles

I was going to post this topic back on Tuesday, but wanted to wait to see if someone else had the same tale to tell.

The PO had everyone take out their blood card(oops, No-Blood Card, as he put it), to check the date on it. If it said 3/99 in the bottom corner, then we were to keep it. I thought it was fairly sneaky of him to ask everyone to take them out. For one, it would show who had one on them and who did not. He mentioned that the newer ones they had, which were "in short supply," were not as "strongly worded" as the 3/99 ones. Does anyone have a new one to compare the wording with?

He went on about the DPA's and such and mentioned that in light of "newer medical techniques," we should review the June and October 2000 WT QFR's. Hmmm, I didn't think that the use of Hemoglobin based treatments were all that new. But what do I know? I am merely a blind sheep following the faithless and indiscreet master.

He also made mention of a particular scripture about not just following what the WT says, but doing our own research on these matters. That threw me for a big loop as he seemed to be following his outline to the letter up until reading that scripture. In the back of my mind, I wondered if he actually knows this policy is screwed up too?

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The brothers hacked my email!

by Erin in

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just learned that a group of jws hacked my email over a considerable period of time, hoping to intercept "incriminating" information in an attempt to disfellowship me!.

they printed up the emails and passed them out to other elders to "examine".

they were certainly very, very disappointed to not find anything they could "use".. the only outgoing emails from me they obtained were those attached to incoming mail as a result of some friends hitting "respond" when they wrote back to me.. the person who got into my email account is a ministerial servant who had previously worked on my business web site and therefore had my password.. he would download my email onto his computer, miles away, and then put everything back as "unread" so nothing would be "missing", when i accessed email from my computer.

Jourles

Think about downloading PGP(pretty good privacy). It comes in a freeware version. Use it for when you are emailing sensitive info back and forth with someone you know.

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The brothers hacked my email!

by Erin in

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just learned that a group of jws hacked my email over a considerable period of time, hoping to intercept "incriminating" information in an attempt to disfellowship me!.

they printed up the emails and passed them out to other elders to "examine".

they were certainly very, very disappointed to not find anything they could "use".. the only outgoing emails from me they obtained were those attached to incoming mail as a result of some friends hitting "respond" when they wrote back to me.. the person who got into my email account is a ministerial servant who had previously worked on my business web site and therefore had my password.. he would download my email onto his computer, miles away, and then put everything back as "unread" so nothing would be "missing", when i accessed email from my computer.

Jourles

I will go ahead and throw my few cents into this.

First off, and this goes for everyone here, you should think about changing your password every month. Use special symbols if you can such as @#$!() as taking the place of letters. Have @=A, $=S, and so on. Get creative.

Secondly, if you have CONCRETE proof of this bro eavesdropping in your email and also using your dial-up account, go speak to an attorney that would take your case with his payment taken from a settlement. This is the inexpensive route. If you can afford to hire one outright, then by all means do so. Your attorney can request from the court a subpeona to retrieve the incoming phone records for your ISP, but make sure that you can provide proof that he accessed your account and had copies of your email. If there is no proof, the judge may quash the subpeona before it ever leaves the courtroom.

Let's say that you do not have proof. You can still have fun and possibly even get this bro in serious trouble, at least in the hall or maybe with his employer. Tell him that you plan on hiring an attorney that will be requesting phone records from your ISP, and if those records indicate that he indeed used his home phone line to dial in, then you will be pressing charges against him for invasion of privacy. Tell him that he will be responsible for all attorney's fees, including court costs. Tell him that under God's graciousness you will not hire an attorney if he confesses to his wrongdoing to the elders. Wait a minute. He distributed copies of your emails to the elders? Then go to the elders and explain that you will be taking him to court for invasion of privacy. That will put them into a panic for sure. They won't know what to do with this bro. Let's see, do we reprove him, drop his priv's, or what???

Hell with it, just blab around the hall that he likes to "HACK" into other people's accounts. If your hall is like mine, oooh, they hate the word "hacker," as it relates to the devil's INTERNET.

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951 BILLION?

by Jourles in

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where exactly did this figure come from?

doing a search for "billion" does not pull up any posts whatsoever on this site.

(search engine faulty right now?).

Jourles

Thanks comment. I thought it was a little far fetched.

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951 BILLION?

by Jourles in

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where exactly did this figure come from?

doing a search for "billion" does not pull up any posts whatsoever on this site.

(search engine faulty right now?).

Jourles

Where exactly did this figure come from? Doing a search for "billion" does not pull up any posts whatsoever on this site.(search engine faulty right now?)

Do you realize that if that figure is correct, the Society is worth almost as much as GE, Microsoft, and Walmart COMBINED? I find it somewhat hard to believe myself. But if someone could point me to indisputible records showing this 'mktcap,' then I will be totally floored, to say the least.

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TO JOURLES- PLZ READ THIS JOURLES

by JT in

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jourles says of his mom:.

it does not matter what the society says about the destruction of 99.99% of the earth's population.

what matters is that those who are still in the org will always cling to what they believe is true to them.

Jourles

Thanks for the note. I understand fully the concept of mind-control as I was under the same irrational school of thought up until about 4-5 years ago.

Physically, I am still "in," albeit inactive according to the Gospel of the Watchotwer. If I were still single, I would have totally freed myself long ago. BUT, as many others here have the same problem as I, I have both sides of the family fully dedicated to the org. Without wanting to destroy my marriage, I still attend off and on with my wife. I no longer go in service or give talks for the school. Whenever elders try to 'guide' me, I just tell them that I am in a thinking stage of my life as I want to make sure what is "truth," and that I thank them for their time but I am not ready to commit myself further at this point.

It is slow going, but eventually I have a feeling that my wife will begin to have more doubts as time progresses. It's funny that I feel closer to her when we get through debating about something degrading to the WTS. At least she does not cry anymore when I bring something up to her(UN for instance).

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JWDAR

by julien in

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do we all (x-dubs) have this?

i sometimes get this 'spidey sense' like warning when jws are around.

sorry if it has been discussed before.

Jourles

"three-fold" look....mark of shame if you didn't have a thrice-folded magazine

Sorry to nitpick(that's just me), but the mags come bi-folded in the mail, at least here in the USA.

And yes, the mags are going to start being distributed from the hall instead of being mailed. Not like I care. I let my sub run out about 4 years ago and never renewed it. Thank god my wife still keeps hers or else I would not have access to the fine spiritual banquet that arrives twice a month to keep me in the light.

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JW Education Status

by Scully in

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this was posted on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, just thought i'd share it with you:.

the following figures from an article in newsweek represent the number of college graduates within each religious group in america.

can this be used to relate the intelligence of the membership of each religion?

Jourles

It does not matter what the Society says about the destruction of 99.99% of the earth's population. What matters is that those who are still in the org will always cling to what they believe is true to them. Take for instance my mother. She believes, even after pointing out what the WTS's website says, that everyone that is not a witness will be destroyed at armageddon. When my uncle died a few years ago, she said that it was best for him to die rather than for him to remain living during armageddon, as he would be killed later with no chance of a resurrection. She now says the same for my grandfather who is fairly close to dying. "I hope he dies soon so that he can be resurrected in the paradise." BITCH!

I cannot begin to express the loathing hatred that I feel towards my own mother. The same goes for all other witnesses that feel the exact same way. Witnesses who air this opinion immediately get put on my 'ignore' list. Ignore, as in, they receive the shunning treatment from me - to the letter.

Thank god my wife no longer feels this way. She is actually starting to listen to me more and more about the WT's dust under the rug without going off and crying. She is really trying to make a stand and debate, something she has NEVER done before. Now that she is starting to think for herself without dragging out the bound volumes to parrot what is written in them, I still have faith that she will someday see for herself what the WTS is all about.

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Report from a WT elders school

by RedhorseWoman in

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found this on another ex-jw board, and thought it might be of interest.. .

culled this from a newsgroup [original.

thread http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index2.cgi?frames=no&board=main&mode=current&message=699.

Jourles

Regarding that snippet about DF'd family members, everyone should refer their friends and family members to the JW Media website where in their FAQ section it says that DF'ing "does not sever family ties." If they move ahead with "new light" about df'd family members, I want everyone I know to read that web page before it disappears.

Jourles, who may be in that category very soon