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  Another Newbie

  by Elmer J. Fudd in

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  hello forum,.

  i am amazed at this forums respose to my "never have been a jw" girlfriend, juanita.

  through her persistance and the kindness of her heart she led me here.

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  Joyzabel

  Welcome, Eeeeellllmer, J. Fffffuuuudd. aka JJJohny

  Hugs,

  Joy
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  Why do you keep posting here?

  by ScoobySnax in

  1. jw
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  you know i like to post these dumb'uns but i was thinking this tonight as i sat here thinking what to post.

  then i thought to myself, why am i sitting here "wondering" what to post on a forum like this.

  i think i get more than the fair share of stick here for posts i have made because of what i do post, and i can live with that.

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  Joyzabel

  Your present status will always be ex-jw.

  Only in your mind, Minimus.
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  Why do you keep posting here?

  by ScoobySnax in

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  you know i like to post these dumb'uns but i was thinking this tonight as i sat here thinking what to post.

  then i thought to myself, why am i sitting here "wondering" what to post on a forum like this.

  i think i get more than the fair share of stick here for posts i have made because of what i do post, and i can live with that.

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  Joyzabel

  Minimus,

  I don't believe it is denial when someone moves on from their JW past. I don't hear people who used to be catholic saying they are exCatholics. I may state that I was raised a JW, but I WILL NOT refer to myself as staying in a xjw state.

  Joy
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  Why do you keep posting here?

  by ScoobySnax in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you know i like to post these dumb'uns but i was thinking this tonight as i sat here thinking what to post.

  then i thought to myself, why am i sitting here "wondering" what to post on a forum like this.

  i think i get more than the fair share of stick here for posts i have made because of what i do post, and i can live with that.

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  Joyzabel

  we'll ALWAYS be xdubs

  I disagree. We will remain xdubs only if we want to.

  That part of my history is just that, history. I don't refer to myself as an xschoolgirl, xteen, x etc. you get the picture. The definition of yourself is what you are now.

  Joy of the "came here for therapy while leaving the Dubs" class.
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  What Made You Realize The WTBTS Was NOT The Truth

  by Kevin in

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  2. friends

  my wife is a jw.. i've been trying to point out the errors of the wtbts but she just doesnt want to hear it.. i'm wonder if some people could share your turning point in regards to your relationship goes.

  with the society.

  what made you realize that the society was false.

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  Joyzabel

  Welcome to JWD, Kevin.

  We are all here trying to figure out ways to reach our loved ones/relatives.

  Steve Hassen's first book on "Mind control" is good because it doesn't mention JWs but shows the same tactics they use.

  Your wife is being taught that no matter what be loyal to God's organization?.

  Read other's experiences here and how the lack of love finally made them look at their organization. Or Raymond Franz's books, Crisis of Conscience or In Search of Christian Freedom.

  The UN scandal that was exposed here on JWD. (The WTBTS was an UGO 1992-2002) And how the WTBTs lies to cover themselves.

  All you can truly do to help your wife is show her unconditional love. The JWs don't. You have to abide by their guidelines to recieve their love.

  Good luck. Sorry there is no magic answer, but we are here to listen and sympatize. (been there, done that)

  Joy
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  Addicted to Misery

  by Lady Lee in

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  2. relationships

  yup one more of my recovery threads.. for the last few years i have had a copy of a book sitting on my shelf called addicted to misery: the other side of co-dependency by robert becker.

  early on in the recovery movement a co-dependent person was a term used mostly for people who were in a relationship with an alcoholic.

  more recently it has been recognized that so-dependency can refer to any kind of addcion to substances or behaviors.

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  wow, powerful thread, Lee.

  Thank you so much for posting information like this. More beneficial than you know.

  Joy
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  Crisis of Conscience

  by shera in

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  i fianlly have a copy and i'm going to stat reading it tonite.i'm excited and i need this knowledge from an insider..

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  Joyzabel

  or donate copies of CoC and ISOCF to your local library
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  Help.

  by family_man in

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  2. beliefs

  my wife is really starting to transition out of the wts.

  this has been a happy time in both of our lives.. while things have peaceful at home - her somewhat abrupt departure appears to have raised eyebrows with her 2 jw syblings.

  so much so that they are starting to plant their own seeds of doubt into her head.

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  Joyzabel

  Please, family_man, go invest in Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom by Raymond Franz. It is a start on how to debunk the JW thinking. Let your wife read those books, too. From there you just continue searching and reading what interests you. Ray does a good job of debunking JW doctrine.

  Keep your guard up. The JW family members will always be hounding your family. That's how they are programmed.

  Joy
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  crisis of conscience....please help

  by boa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  allo folks.... .

  please tell me if you think a jehovah's witness could read crisis of concience and continue to be a jw after finishing it?

  since i have heard vague stories that there are some who have continued to be a jw, please relate the story and how you think this could be.

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  Joyzabel

  I agree with simplesally. "by putting their head back in the sand".

  I gave CoC to my brother (who was at bethel the same time I was in the 70's), he claimed he read it, but I know he just skimmed it. All he wanted to know was what happened to Ray. That was over 3 years ago. He still goes to meetings (talk about a drone). His wife is more upset about the abuse issue because she used to be Catholic and hates how the WTBTS down grades them while they are allowing sexual preditors in the congregation.

  But go figure. As soon as I read CoC, while an active witness, I wanted to "quite touching the unclean thing". But hubby convinced me to try the fade thing so that we could get through to our family before we were kicked out.

  Everyone has to do what is best for them and their situation but I still scratch my head over any JW reading CoC and still being loyal to an organization. A publishing organization.

  Joy
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  Ray Franz

  by oscar in

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  2. friends

  hello everybody i was just wondering if anybody knows how raymond franz is doing or how he is continuing his life outside of the org.

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  Joyzabel

  While I was an active witness when I read CoC while attending the meetings! * yes, no lightening ever came down!* I did have it under a bible cover I bought from Walmart, but I couldn't put the book down. I had for years wanted to read Ray's books but didn't have the courage.

  I recommend any JW read it. If the JW's have the truth? then what are they afraid of by reading it?

  Then go on to In Search of Christian Freedom. Ray has written in those 2 books his answers to a lot of questions people have for him.

  Joy