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Posts by Hadit
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16Who does the H. Spirit indwell according to the Watchtower?
by james46888 ini've spoken with a number of jw's in the past who have told me that they believe the h. spirit only indwells the 144,000 (obviously contradicted by romans 8:8-9).
however, the jw i am presently trying to convert caught me a little off guard by telling me he was unaware of this doctrine (he's been a jw for 40-years) and that he understood it to be that all believers are indwelt by the h. spirit.
is he simply misinformed about his own organisations teachings here?
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Who does the H. Spirit indwell according to the Watchtower?
by james46888 ini've spoken with a number of jw's in the past who have told me that they believe the h. spirit only indwells the 144,000 (obviously contradicted by romans 8:8-9).
however, the jw i am presently trying to convert caught me a little off guard by telling me he was unaware of this doctrine (he's been a jw for 40-years) and that he understood it to be that all believers are indwelt by the h. spirit.
is he simply misinformed about his own organisations teachings here?
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Hadit
The March 15, 2010 study edition has some points about HS, but I'm not sure this is the one I was thinking about. I will have a look around tomorrow. Here are a couple quotes:
Baptized in the Name of Who and What?
Pg 14/par 16: Similarly, one who is baptized in the name of the holy spirit recognizes that the holy spirit is not a person, but Jehovah's active force. And such baptism means that one acknowledges the role the holy spirit plays in God's purpose.
Par 18: Our having been baptized in the name of the holy spirit involves recognizing its role in our life and gratefully cooperating with that spirit.
Walk By Spirit and Live Up To Your Dedication - Starting at pg 14
Par 2: However, is there any difference between being baptized with holy spirit and being baptized in the name of the holy spirit? Yes. Those who are baptized with holy spirit are born again as spirit-begotten sons of God. They are anointed . . . part of the spiritual body of Christ.
Par 10: Walking by spirit includes responding to the invitation we read at Rev 22:17 "The spirit and the bride keep on saying: 'Come!' And let anyone . . ." The spirit, working through the anointed bride class, is extending this invitation regarding life's water.
Par 12: Jehovah guides the anointed by holy spirit. And the spirit motivates brothers and sisters . . .
Par 13: You can submit to the direction of holy spirit by applying the information provided for God's people.
Par 17: Through God's Word and his spirit-directed organization, holy spirit will move you in the right direction.
The way they write is so deceptive. When does anyone get baptized in the name of the holy spirit? The questions changed in 1985 from baptism in holy spirit to recognizing that we belong to God's spirit directed organization.
So the other sheep are NOT baptized WITH holy spirit they are baptized IN THE NAME of the holy spirit (which is false anyways!). In other words: We walk by it, we submit to it, we acknowledge its role, we gratefully cooperate with it, we respond to it, we are moved by it but we don’t have it IN US and because we are not baptized WITH it.
Twisted! Clear as mud?
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Who does the H. Spirit indwell according to the Watchtower?
by james46888 ini've spoken with a number of jw's in the past who have told me that they believe the h. spirit only indwells the 144,000 (obviously contradicted by romans 8:8-9).
however, the jw i am presently trying to convert caught me a little off guard by telling me he was unaware of this doctrine (he's been a jw for 40-years) and that he understood it to be that all believers are indwelt by the h. spirit.
is he simply misinformed about his own organisations teachings here?
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Hadit
The society teaches that ONLY the 144,000 are anointed with Holy Spirit or indwelt in them. The other sheep are "led by Holy Spirit." There was a recent WT on the HS and it was very elitist when it came to HS and the 144,000. Problem is that most in the org don't really understand the difference and all believe they have HS.
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Something that's been on my mind for a while and I finally put into words.
by WontLeave inshould i turn "apostate"?.
when anyone is replying to a matter before he hears [it], that is foolishness on his part and a humiliation.
prov 18:13. .
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Hadit
Welcome WontLeave! Keep questioning and looking. This oranization is hiding pedophiles, breaking up families and, as you noticed, twisting scriputures to fit their preconceived ideas. One of the main things that did it for me was the lack of love and Jesus said "they will know you are my disciples if you have love among yourselves." Doctrines aside - love was not there.
Wishing you all the best in your search.
Hadit
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Hadit
Ya but then you could reel in that hottie with it!
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Hadit
YW!
BTW - fishing rod might work!
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Hadit
Use the same contraption that you hand business cards to hot women at the red light with
For real - here's a link - sounds pretty good http://home.howstuffworks.com/garbage-disposal1.htm
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We are feeding the answers to the Bethel Lurkers!!
by clarity inare we providing the material for damage control?
are we making them look credible?
like giving them a "heads up" as to what is ssoooo wrong, and they're trying to fix the fallout!
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Hadit
I have no doubt that they monitor the internet and try to do damage control. I'm sure they are told that they can count the hours and return visits from their cyber territories.
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Hello!
by factfinder ini'm new here, this is my first post.
have been reading so many comments from you guys over the past few months and now i can finally comment too!.
it is amazing how long it took me to see that jw's are not god's organization and that their teachings do not really find support in the bible.. now i'm not really sure what i believe.
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Hadit
Welcome to the forum factfinder! I can relate on not knowing what to believe and wanting to be free of religion. Enjoy your freedom to get to know yourself and what you want rather than a religion dictating it for you. I sincerely hope your relatives wake up.
I'm glad you joined us on this journey. I wish you all the best!
Hadit
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Suggest a JW year text for 2011
by JimmyPage inhow about this one?
: "we are of all men most to be pitied.
" -1 cor.
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Hadit
Oh right - here's my suggestion:
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire."