in 04 i was brought before a comitee of 3 elders and admited to sex before marriage, given my situation at the time i fell short, i showed repentance for it and they said they were going to recomend i leave for awhile to find myself spiritually...(wow the only time they got one right) i did find myself spiritually through other means.
now i have a question since i no longer want to be a part of this organization and i was cast out from it, shouldnt my records with my personal information be destroyed?
if its in a file that i do not want to exist?
Honestly, whatever 'records' they have mean absolutely nothing to the outside, normal world. The info getting out, which it won't for legal reasons, won't harm you in anyway. I mean hell, they don't even let anyone know where there are child molesters in the congregation!
Sick bastards!
the jws and the watchtower often say that they have no "paid clergy class.".
but the new secret elder book that is supposed to be confidential and only seen by the elders and not be accessible to anyone else in the congregation proves beyond any doubt that the jws do have a clergy class!.
they might not be paid, but the elders are a select, elite group among the witneeses.. so much for the boastful claim by the watchtower that they have no special clergy class..
HAH! Yup, I guess that would play right into their propaganda, wouldn't it? Damn it, Yan, I wasn't thinking that one all the way through!
below are examples in which judicial action.
would likely not be warranted:.
after attending a social gathering at a single sister's.
Well, it only mentions sleeping, if I were to get it on with the sister, we'll get it on, then so as not to go against the rules, after we're done, we both go back to our seperate beds in different rooms. That way when asked if we 'slept' together, you can honestly say, NOPE! No sleeping together at all! In fact we slept in different rooms!
the jws and the watchtower often say that they have no "paid clergy class.".
but the new secret elder book that is supposed to be confidential and only seen by the elders and not be accessible to anyone else in the congregation proves beyond any doubt that the jws do have a clergy class!.
they might not be paid, but the elders are a select, elite group among the witneeses.. so much for the boastful claim by the watchtower that they have no special clergy class..
I wonder if there is an interested congressman/woman in the states that would look at this new elders book and use it to wage war on the WTS? That's asking for a lot, I know, but just imagine if the DA or AG got a hold of this during a case involving JWs...
i'd like to compare, also anybody have old ones find anything new or different?
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i'm also curious if any of the old ones told elders to discourage ones from going to the police or not or if that was a orally taught rule / call the branch.
Search this site, there are links to it here as well. Google will bring it up too.
since i last posted on this board.miss me?here we go (question):if a jw woman is widow,or divorced,or not married at all who's her head then?the elders?christ?god?her neightbours?her son??
(i want the org's official point of view).
According to the WTS, children -> wife (mother) -> husband (father) -> Elders -> FDS -> Jesus -> Jehovah.
okay, if you haven't figured me out yet, read my past forum posts.. so the 2 elders wanted to meet up with me for the last time today to talk to me, but i told them that i want to talk on the phone and not in person as i can speak more freely and have less inhibitions.. they found out that i had committed acts of homosexuality with a few people and they still want to keep me in the congregation somehow.. i, myself, don't feel repentant over what i did and don't really regret much.
if i came across an opportunity to actually be in a relationship with someone and it were to appeal to me, i could potentially take that opportunity.. so now, i need to know what to tell them when they call me in an hour from now.
i want to be able to let them know that i don't mind being disfellowshipped and that i'm not repentant.
bottleofwater, I really think you should just leave (the org). I think you've heard enough of that opinion from most here over and over in all of your posts towards your situation. No offense buddy, but it almost feels like we have to take you out back and beat you with a baseball bat to get that into your thick skull.
Leave. You will be happier. You will be able to be free. Isn't that what you want? Or do you want to be caged within the WTS? You have us here on the forums for support, many are going through this dilemma daily. Don't over think things, don't make it more complicated than it is. Trust me, I've been DF'd twice, it's not so 'lonely' or depressing as they make it sound. It's actually quite serene and peaceful.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200527/1/ks10-chapter-two-discussion.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200581/1/ks10-chapter-three.
Undercover, nice reference to the BITE model. It's quite evident what kind of organization this is.
... and has placed its members under a curse from god.
" galatians 1:8. the author of this site makes that claim repeatedly.
http://www.truthandgrace.com/watchtower.htm.
Hmmm... bible based marshmallows... is that some type of spirit-directed ingredient?
okay, if you haven't figured me out yet, read my past forum posts.. so the 2 elders wanted to meet up with me for the last time today to talk to me, but i told them that i want to talk on the phone and not in person as i can speak more freely and have less inhibitions.. they found out that i had committed acts of homosexuality with a few people and they still want to keep me in the congregation somehow.. i, myself, don't feel repentant over what i did and don't really regret much.
if i came across an opportunity to actually be in a relationship with someone and it were to appeal to me, i could potentially take that opportunity.. so now, i need to know what to tell them when they call me in an hour from now.
i want to be able to let them know that i don't mind being disfellowshipped and that i'm not repentant.
What leavingwt said. That should pretty much end anything. Don't answer their questions, just make that statement and say goodbye and hang up, DO NOT answer their questions! You got that? DO NOT answer their questions. You want out, get out, but don't give them the upper hand.
