"Ahhh, quote-mining....
You left out the best part, the conclusions of the research:
From The gain and loss of genes during 600 million years of vertebrate evolution:
Conclusion: Based on phylogenetic analysis, we show that both the mode of duplication and the functional class the duplicated genes belong to have been of major importance for the evolution of the vertebrates. In particular, we provide evidence that massive gene duplication (probably as a consequence of entire genome duplications) at the dawn of vertebrate evolution might have been particularly important for the evolution of complex vertebrates.
The research you quote from does not hinder or disprove evolution, but rather it refines our understanding of evolution, and what role gene-duplication plays in it."
This is just a conclusive synopsis of the study.
The phylogenetic analysis and associated gene-duplication events in this study does not reveal species deriving complexity from simpler lifeforms. Feel free to cite any morphology (genetic patterns of evolutionary development) in this study towards this end. Computational biology: http://www.geneious.com/
Geneious Pro is a bioinformatics software platform that is both ultra-powerful and easy to use. Scientists, researchers and students are able to search, organize and analyze genomic and protein information via a single desktop program that provides publication ready images to enhance the impact of research.
Geneious Pro integrates with NCBI public databases. The databases are not piece of cake to follow, but out of personal interest, I occasionally look into public databases for any evidence for macroevolution.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
NCBI creates public databases, conducts research in computational biology, develops software tools for analyzing genome data, and disseminates biomedical information - all for the better understanding of molecular processes affecting human health and disease. The databases likewise contain an abundance of information pertaining to plant and animal life. Searching for molecular Darwinism requires analyzing information stored in the databases that are divided into specific categories such as these:
Nucleotide: Core subset of nucleotide sequence records
GSS: Genome Survey Sequence records
Protein: sequence database
Genome: whole genome sequences
Structure: three-dimensional macromolecular structures
Taxonomy: organisms in GenBank
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"Life" Brochures: 3 Easy Disproofs
by metatron init may be time consuming and exhausting to correct all of the deceptions, half-truths and out of context quotes contained in the watchtower's new brochures, so i'll make it simple.
here's 3 easy points that disprove all of their nonsense.. 1) australia proves evolution happened - what's the one country in the world with the weirdest animals on earth?
australia!
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Preparing for D2D Opposition July 26, 2010 KM
by blondie inso there is nothing negative to be said about jws?
are they perfect?
because it is negative does it mean it is a lie?.
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alice.in.wonderland
"I am starting to understand that you are one of those truly stupid people, who is too stupid to know how stupid you are."
It looks as if this a premeditated outlook on Jehovah's Witnesses from some former members of this “cult.” From my POV this is just the face of an apostate pasted on the cover of the Watchtower.
it-1 p. 1192 Impalement
Apostates in effect “impale the Son of God afresh for themselves and expose him to public shame,” doing so by their Judaslike rebellion against God’s arrangement for salvation.—Heb 6:4-6.
For it is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, and who have tasted the heavenly free gift, and who have become partakers of holy spirit, and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, but who have fallen away, to revive them again to repentance, because they impale the Son of God afresh for themselves and expose him to public shame. Hebrews 6:4-6
Not only is it impossible to revive them again to repentance, the thought of being repentant likely wouldn't even enter their mind. That's why they have a fanatical fixation on Jehovah's Witnesses.
In effect, all genuine enlightenment has been cast aside never be restored in the minds of those who have fallen away.
The word stupid is found 49 times in book of Proverbs with an indefinite and direct application to any in that situation.
“How long will you inexperienced ones keep loving inexperience, and [how long] must you ridiculers desire for yourselves outright ridicule, and [how long] will you stupid ones keep hating knowledge? Proverbs 1:22
Honor is what the wise ones will come to possess, but the stupid ones are exalting dishonor. Proverbs 3:35The agenda of the evil slave class is somewhat futile. What reward do you receive for attempting to beat your former brothers and sisters? What's its use? Sounds like a pretty stupid agenda to me.
“But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be. Matthew 24:48-51 -
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"Life" Brochures: 3 Easy Disproofs
by metatron init may be time consuming and exhausting to correct all of the deceptions, half-truths and out of context quotes contained in the watchtower's new brochures, so i'll make it simple.
here's 3 easy points that disprove all of their nonsense.. 1) australia proves evolution happened - what's the one country in the world with the weirdest animals on earth?
australia!
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alice.in.wonderland
"If I had have brought stuff like that into our house when I was a kid, the old man would have thought I was beset by demons."
I don't know where you got this perception of Jehovah's Witnesses from. If you care to cohesively fit in with your family you may want to adjust your thinking.
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"Life" Brochures: 3 Easy Disproofs
by metatron init may be time consuming and exhausting to correct all of the deceptions, half-truths and out of context quotes contained in the watchtower's new brochures, so i'll make it simple.
here's 3 easy points that disprove all of their nonsense.. 1) australia proves evolution happened - what's the one country in the world with the weirdest animals on earth?
australia!
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alice.in.wonderland
"Given your utter failure to overcome the evidence of Australia as a natural example of evolution, I'd say your posting was a desperate casting about for something to say. Good luck with the 'fishing'.
You say it's lame without bothering to address the issues a creationist outlook has to overcome in regard to this. I'd like to claim the idea as my own but in fact, it's already been brought up in writing to the Watchtower Society. They have no answer either.
Want a 5th easy disproof?
5) Science has already created a synthetic living cell this year - is evolution that hard to believe if life can be created in the lab?"
I did chart a path for the migration of animals to isolated regions.
http://geology.about.com/cs/evolution/a/aa072703a.htm
The Rise and Fall of Land Bridges
First of all the critical time interval for vertebrate evolution: between 100 and 112 million years in duration-spans. Even if this were true, current advancements in biology would at the least reveal subtle changes in a species' genetic makeup towards this end.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1779523/pdf/gb-2006-7-5-r43.pdf
The gain and loss of genes during 600 million years of vertebrate evolution
Background: Gene duplication is assumed to have played a crucial role in the evolution of vertebrate organisms. Apart from a continuous mode of duplication, two or three whole genome duplication events have been proposed during the evolution of vertebrates, one or two at the dawn of vertebrate evolution, and an additional one in the fish lineage, not shared with land vertebrates. Here, we have studied gene gain and loss in seven different vertebrate genomes, spanning an evolutionary period of about 600 million years.
The study detailing the gain and loss of genes during 600 million years of vertebrate evolution is not an adequate demonstration of macroevolution: species deriving complexity from simpler lifeforms. There's nothing in the study that indicates why the gain and loss of genes is in anyway related to vertebrate evolution. 600 million years does allow for the modification of a continent's position and size.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ice/chill.html
Geographic Distribution and Size of Continents
Through the course of a Wilson cycle continents collide and split apart, mountains are uplifted and eroded, and ocean basins open and close. The re-distribution and changing size and elevation of continental land masses may have caused climate change on long time scales. Computer climate models have shown that the climate is very sensitive to changing geography. It is unlikely, however, that these large variations in the Earth's geography were the primary cause of the latest long-term cooling trend as they fail to decrease temperatures on a global scale.
The global deluge and creation account in Genesis obscures things a bit. I'd have to look into it further as to whether they really did exist, but land bridges postulated between Britain and Europe, between New Guinea and Australia allows for the migration of various animals to this region.
How is creating a synthetic living cell evidence for evolution? Creating a synthetic living cell is evidence for intelligent design.
The Miller-Urey experiment was pioneering, but abiogenesis has come a long, long way since then. I suggest looking into the work being done by Jack Szostak at Szostak Labs. He's written extensively on the subject. -
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Preparing for D2D Opposition July 26, 2010 KM
by blondie inso there is nothing negative to be said about jws?
are they perfect?
because it is negative does it mean it is a lie?.
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“Respond With Graciousness: When we receive a negative response, we should always reply with graciousness and mildness”
This applies only if you're talking to an actual person. Many times the responses I get aren't any different than unsolicited spam from spambots: automated computer programs designed to assist in the sending of spam. -
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"Life" Brochures: 3 Easy Disproofs
by metatron init may be time consuming and exhausting to correct all of the deceptions, half-truths and out of context quotes contained in the watchtower's new brochures, so i'll make it simple.
here's 3 easy points that disprove all of their nonsense.. 1) australia proves evolution happened - what's the one country in the world with the weirdest animals on earth?
australia!
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alice.in.wonderland
Australia as “proof” for evolution is one of the lamest excuses I've heard to substantiate evolution.
I placed it here to see what kind of response it would get: -
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Preparing for D2D Opposition July 26, 2010 KM
by blondie inso there is nothing negative to be said about jws?
are they perfect?
because it is negative does it mean it is a lie?.
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“Blondie, it seems as if the "misinformation" is getting a foothold in people's minds. Now they have to debunk the questions in people's minds placed there by the various youtube videos and websites dedicated to shining light on the "Truth".”
I've addressed some of the issues in youtube videos and websites.
As for debunking the questions in people's minds, I rarely come across anyone that even looks at these aside from opposed ex-Jehovah's Witnesses. Opposed ex-Jehovah's Witnesses don't seem to care about these websites anyway.
http://www.freeminds.org/search-jehovahs-witness.html
Free Minds continues to have a financial crisis in 2009.
Getting involved with the arguments of opposers can be time-consuming. I occasional say a thing or two for light entertainment, however some sink to new lows to make a case against Jehovah's Witnesses.
Silentlambs for example, is not a support group for abuse victims. It never has been. It's a religious hate group masquerading as a victim support group. People here start using profanity and hate speech when it is displayed that Jehovah’s Witnesses have an outstanding child-protection policy. If you want questions in people's minds placed there by the various youtube videos and websites "debunked" (provided they are even there) behave like an adult and don't do that. -
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Was God over reacting destroying the whole planet in Noah's flood to kill afew evil people...too bad Noah forgot the Unicorns and Dinosaurs according to the Watchtower!
by Witness 007 inyes instead of striking them dead he decided to flood the entire planet killing every living plant and animal {sorry peta members} which only afew years before he created declaring it "good.
" then he made a "rainbow" as a sign that never again will he destroy every living thing.. wasn't this over the top?.
too bad they forgot the poor unicorns and dinosuars though!.
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alice.in.wonderland
"In fact the bible does give an example when god supposedly does, destroy the wicked without destroying the surrounding animal and plant life and quietly so the Israelites did not see it.
(2 Kings 19:35) . . .And it came about on that night that the angel of Jehovah proceeded to go out and strike down a hundred and eighty-five thousand in the camp of the As·syr′i·ans. When people rose up early in the morning, why, there all of them were dead carcasses."
Is this an attempt to give the nation of Israel the appearance of a Stalinistic regime? The Assyrians had no moral right to exist.
There was a continued close relationship between Assyria and Babylon throughout their history. Assyria was an imperialistic empire. Assyria’s religion was largely inherited from Babylon. One of their warrior monarchs, Ashurnasirpal, describes his punishment of several rebellious cities in this way:
“I built a pillar over against his city gate, and I flayed all the chief men who had revolted, and I covered the pillar with their skins; some I walled up within the pillar, some I impaled upon the pillar on stakes, . . . and I cut off the limbs of the officers, of the royal officers who had rebelled. . . . Many captives from among them I burned with fire, and many I took as living captives. From some I cut off their hands and their fingers, and from others I cut off their noses, their ears, and their fingers, of many I put out the eyes. I made one pillar of the living, and another of heads, and I bound their heads to posts (tree trunks) round about the city. Their young men and maidens I burned in the fire . . . Twenty men I captured alive and I immured them in the wall of his palace. . . . The rest of them [their warriors] I consumed with thirst in the desert of the Euphrates.”—Ancient Records of Assyria and Babylonia, by D. D. Luckenbill, 1926, Vol. I, pp. 145, 147, 153, 162. -
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"Life" Brochures: 3 Easy Disproofs
by metatron init may be time consuming and exhausting to correct all of the deceptions, half-truths and out of context quotes contained in the watchtower's new brochures, so i'll make it simple.
here's 3 easy points that disprove all of their nonsense.. 1) australia proves evolution happened - what's the one country in the world with the weirdest animals on earth?
australia!
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alice.in.wonderland
The discovered changes in geographic landmass allows for the distribution of species in Australia and other locations. If scientists believe the “ice age” resulted in oceanic and landmass changes you can certainly say the same the thing about the global deluge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erosion
Erosion is the process of weathering and transport of solids (sediment, soil, rock and other particles) in the natural environment or their source and deposits them elsewhere. It usually occurs due to transport by wind, water, or ice; by down-slope creep of soil and other material under the force of gravity; or by living organisms, such as burrowing animals, in the case of bioerosion.
Shoreline erosion, which occurs on both exposed and sheltered coasts, primarily occurs through the action of currents and waves but sea level (tidal) change can also play a role.
http://geology.about.com/cs/evolution/a/aa072703a.htm
The Rise and Fall of Land Bridges
Similar land bridges are postulated between Britain and Europe, between New Guinea and Australia, between the Philippines and Indonesia, between Sri Lanka and India, and between the Southeast Asian mainland and the Indonesian islands.
The earliest humans in Australia, the Philippines, Japan and the Americas probably arrived on land bridges.
These shallow, short-lived land bridges are a far cry from the ones geologists used to talk about. But at least they actually existed. The ones envisioned early in the last century were a different creature.
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Was God over reacting destroying the whole planet in Noah's flood to kill afew evil people...too bad Noah forgot the Unicorns and Dinosaurs according to the Watchtower!
by Witness 007 inyes instead of striking them dead he decided to flood the entire planet killing every living plant and animal {sorry peta members} which only afew years before he created declaring it "good.
" then he made a "rainbow" as a sign that never again will he destroy every living thing.. wasn't this over the top?.
too bad they forgot the poor unicorns and dinosuars though!.
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alice.in.wonderland
"alice, I saw right through your quack "scientist".
no proof, just his "bible" trained answers"
He wasn't my “quack scientist.” I didn't know who the man was until yesterday. I haven't taken a thorough look into how the global deluge in the Genesis account relates to all physical scientific laws. This is another investigation into how fish could have survived the Genesis flood.
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=351
by Kenneth B. Cumming, Ph.D.
SURVIVAL STRATEGY
Runoff to the Ocean
Heavy rainfall over the land would quickly fill the river basins with torrential flows. These in turn would empty out onto the encroaching coastline as a freshwater blanket. Odum[5] refers to situations similar to this as a "highly stratified or `salt-wedge' estuary." Such a massive freshwater outflow from the continents would join with the oceanic rainfall to form a halocline or strong density gradient, in which fish flushed out from the land aquatic systems could continue to survive in a freshwater environment. Stratification like this might even survive strong winds, if the freshwater depth was great enough to prevent internal current mixing. Thus, a situation might be envisioned where freshwater and marine fishes could survive the deluge in spite of being temporarily displaced.
Turbidity Flows
On the other hand, large turbid particles and enormous bedloads could move into the ocean as settleable particulate rain and ground-hugging slurries. Heavier particles would fall out in the slower-moving coastal waters, and the mudflows would sediment out over the ocean floor. Although there would be turbulence at the freshwater/saltwater interface, the particle insertion would probably occur without appreciable mixing. With the range of tolerance given above, many fishes might be able to survive extended exposure to high turbidity.Serendipity at Mount St. Helens
The biotic recovery at Mount St. Helens after the May 18, 1980 eruption demonstrates rapid and widely ranging restoration. Obviously, the Flood would have been one or more orders of magnitude greater a catastrophe than that eruption. But such an event does help us to see ways of recovery.
SPIRIT LAKE April 4, 1980 June 30, 1980 Alkalinity (mg/l) 0.01 150.5 Temperature (°C) 4.0 22.4 Turbidity (mg/l) 0.75 24.61 With regard to the three factors of interest (salinity—approximately alkalinity, in the sense of dissolved solutes—, temperature, and turbidity), significant changes were seen in the affected areas (data transformed to units used previously).[9,10]
Still, a little more than a month after the eruption, the lake most exposed to the catastrophic event, Spirit Lake, had tolerable alkalinity, ambient temperature, and low turbidity. This is not to deny that all the endemic fish were killed in the event and probably could not have survived if replanted in these waters on June 30, 1980, due to large organic oxygen demands from decaying tree debris and seeps of methane and sulfur dioxide. But within ten years, the lake appears to be able to support fish, as many other aquatic species are back and well established. If the lake were connected directly to the Toutle River, then salmonids probably would have made their reentry by this time.
Perhaps the most significant observation, though, in examining the post-eruption history, is that a variety of habitats within and adjacent to the blast zone survived the event with minimal impact on the continuity of the ecosystem. Meta Lake, within the blast zone for example, had an ice cover at the time of the searing blast, which protected the dormant ecosystem from experiencing much disruption from the heat, anoxia, and air-fall tephra. Fish and support systems picked up where they left off before the onset of the winter season.
Similar experiences were observed in Swift Reservoir, in spite of massive mud and debris flows into the lake by way of Muddy Creek (personal conversation with aquatic biologist on duty at that time). Fish were displaced into the adjacent unaffected watersheds or downstream into lower reservoirs. However, within two years, massive plankton blooms had occurred and ecosystem recovery was well underway with migrant recruits.
Such a confined catastrophe (500 square miles) enables one to project expectations from a major catastrophe, such as the Flood. First, in spite of the enormous magnitude of such events, there appear to be refuges for survival even in close proximity to the most damaging action. Second, recovery can be incredibly fast—from one month to ten years. Third, recruitment from minimally affected zones can occur with normal migratory behavior of organisms. Although some animal and plant populations or even species might be annihilated in such events, remnant individuals can reestablish new populations.Establishing Biblical events as harmonious with the laws of science isn't really evidence for the existence of God. Most people I've come across believe that real evidence should be obtained from God himself, not just what's on printed page.