Carnivores synthesize their own vitamin C, which is virtually absent in meat and dairy products; herbivores obtain their vitamin C from plant foods in which it is abundant. Protein synthesis exists in herbivores. If humans can get everything they need from a non-meat diet, animals can to.
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Tame animals in the New System
by brotherdan inso i was thinking about this whole idea of animals being tame and getting along with each other and how the wts depicts this in their artwork.
i'm having a major issue with this.
how far down the food chain would this go?
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Tame animals in the New System
by brotherdan inso i was thinking about this whole idea of animals being tame and getting along with each other and how the wts depicts this in their artwork.
i'm having a major issue with this.
how far down the food chain would this go?
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alice.in.wonderland
There will likely be a reconditioning of the biologic and genetic makeup of humans and animals. There are broken genes in humans and animals that could contribute to nutrition if they were functional.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudogene
Pseudogenes are dysfunctional relatives of known genes that have lost their protein-coding ability or are otherwise no longer expressed in the cell. Although some do not have introns or promoters (these pseudogenes are copied from mRNA and incorporated into the chromosome and are called processed pseudogenes), most have some gene-like features (such as promoters, CpG islands, and splice sites), they are nonetheless considered nonfunctional, due to their lack of protein-coding ability resulting from various genetic disablements (stop codons, frameshifts, or a lack of transcription) or their inability to encode RNA (such as with rRNA pseudogenes). Thus the term, coined in 1977 by Jacq, et al., is composed of the prefix pseudo, which means false, and the root gene, which is the central unit of molecular genetics.
The L-gulano-γ-lactone oxidase gene, the gene required for Vitamin C synthesis, was found in humans and guinea pigs. It exists as a pseudogene, present but incapable of functioning. In fact, since this was originally written the vitamin C pseudogene has been found in other primates.
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Petition against MadJW
by brotherdan ini'd like to submit a motion that we no longer respond to posts posted by madjw.
he's using this forum to spam all of us into going to his wts defending website.
he also claims to be a regular pioneer and gets the majority of his time by posting on this site.
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alice.in.wonderland
"I'm very tempted to back this idea, BD.
There are a few JW apologists here - Alice, DJeggnog, MadJW, - who, even though they have different styles, all debate in a way that is obviously so grossly dishonest that there is really no way to differentiate it from lying. I personally don't think proven liars should be tolerated here. If I were the board Mod I'd probably ban them. But such moves are often met with opposition as some value freedom of speech - even blatantly dishonest speech - above all else. So I doubt you'll have much success. Actually, MadJW doesn't so much debate as just..... bait. Does freedom of speech include protection of the freedom to bait and be a pointless irritant? Maybe. I doubt it.
Maybe there is a case to be made for such ones being here and their deception being exposed.
I don't know. But I can totally understand your frustration."
There's plenty of kool-aid and cotton candy that floats around here. I simply chime in here and there to set the record the straight. It's not much different than solving the crossword puzzle in the morning paper.
But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong. Hebrews 5:14
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The H.M. Riley Trust
by alice.in.wonderland inbecause someone, someone who misused their authority as financial information of such as is posted online relative to this trust is confidential communication between a financial planner, accountant, board of trustees and beneficiary of the trust; it's revealed the mutual funds owned by the riley trust have a "consumer staples/consumer goods" component, and one of the stocks in that component is phillip morris.. it's a completely immaterial amount of money and it's not generated by securities that are able to be traded, unless the entire mutual fund is sold off.
this is another fine example of people who have an axe to grind with jehovah's witnesses doing a whole lot of work to produce a "smoking gun" that really is nothing of the kind.. this stems from some financial information that was released related to a lady named henrietta riley.
apparently a wealthy jw that made the watchtower society the beneficiary of the income from her trust.
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"Wait, so a little fornication is ok? Sweeeeeeeeeeeet!"
No, but once a death certificate has been issued by the government and the person's assets are left to a beneficiary, they have a responsibility to handle the matter appropriately. I don't know for sure what would happen if the assets were rejected by the organization, but I assume they would be seized by the federal government. If the society can put the money to better use, it's perfectly acceptable for them to do so.
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# 1 scripture that Jehovah Witnesses avoid, when denying they are false prophets
by wasblind injeremiah 28: 15-17. and jeremiah the prophet went on to say to hananiah the prophet: "listen, please, oh hananiah!
jehovah has not sent you, but you yourself have caused this people to trust in a falsehood.
therefore this is what jehovah has said, ' look!
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"...JEHOVAH is a God of truth. He does not compromise with error . No crisis can panic him into abandoning his principles of truth for the sake of expediency...... No threat can make him view the difference between truth and error as petty and insignificant , thus making a merger of the two seem justifiable under such circumstances."----February 1, 1952 Watchtower p. 69 par. 1"
The stand taken here was in regard to interfaith, merging with other religions for political reasons. The difference between truth and error could have included any number of false teachings held by Christendom's Churches. Case in point, if you had any interest in what the truth is, you would explain it instead of taking things out of context and distorting the truth.
w52 2/1 p. 69 par. 1 Is Interfaith God’s Way?
JEHOVAH is a God of truth. He does not compromise with error. No crisis can panic him into abandoning his principles of truth for the sake of expediency. No peril can frighten him into uniting forces with error to present a more powerful front against a common enemy. No threat can make him view the difference between truth and error as petty and insignificant, thus making a merger of the two seem justifiable under such circumstances. His truth is recorded in his Word the Bible, and despite any crises or perils the future of that truth is assured: “The word spoken by Jehovah endures forever.” (Deut. 32:4; John 17:17; 1 Pet. 1:25, NW) Hence the true religion will not merge with false religions to face with greater numbers the double peril of communism and world war, as President Truman strongly urged in a speech to churchmen on September 28, 1951.
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# 1 scripture that Jehovah Witnesses avoid, when denying they are false prophets
by wasblind injeremiah 28: 15-17. and jeremiah the prophet went on to say to hananiah the prophet: "listen, please, oh hananiah!
jehovah has not sent you, but you yourself have caused this people to trust in a falsehood.
therefore this is what jehovah has said, ' look!
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"Yes Alice, the principle of that Mosaic Law is don't purposefully mislead people. The JW Organization has done it time and time again. It's one thing to say something that's wrong, it's another to tell people that the end is coming and then list dates. God disapproved of what Hananiah did, why would he not disapprove of the JW organization doing the same exact thing?
If you ordered a pepperoni pizza and they gave you a guarantee it would be here within a half hour or the pizza is free, what would you think of the pizza company if they showed up in two hours with an anchovie pizza and still made you pay for it? I doubt you'd be ordering from them anytime soon."
During the Mosaic era God's initial instructions were the Ten Commandments. Concerning the first set of tablets, it is stated that they not only were made by Jehovah but were also “written on by God’s finger,” evidently denoting God’s spirit.
Now as soon as he had finished speaking with him on Mount Si′nai he proceeded to give Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone written on by God’s finger. Exodus 31:18
This should provide some insight as to how Jehovah communicated with nation of Israel. Now that the Bible cannon is sealed, direct communication isn't a means of communication used in modern society.
“Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those [men]. Matthew 7:15-20
As long as Jehovah's Witnesses consistently teach the whole truth and display the fruits of the spirit, they're not in the spotlight of Jesus' descriptive words in Matthew 7:15-20 and they can make a statement about the future without unjust criticism deterring people from the truth. The family members I know that served at Bethel said the Governing Body were men of tremendous character. Whatever the case, I resister with what a person teaches from the Bible, not insignificant idiosyncrasies people exploit that have been thoroughly settled.
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The H.M. Riley Trust
by alice.in.wonderland inbecause someone, someone who misused their authority as financial information of such as is posted online relative to this trust is confidential communication between a financial planner, accountant, board of trustees and beneficiary of the trust; it's revealed the mutual funds owned by the riley trust have a "consumer staples/consumer goods" component, and one of the stocks in that component is phillip morris.. it's a completely immaterial amount of money and it's not generated by securities that are able to be traded, unless the entire mutual fund is sold off.
this is another fine example of people who have an axe to grind with jehovah's witnesses doing a whole lot of work to produce a "smoking gun" that really is nothing of the kind.. this stems from some financial information that was released related to a lady named henrietta riley.
apparently a wealthy jw that made the watchtower society the beneficiary of the income from her trust.
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Because someone, someone who misused their authority as financial information of such as is posted online relative to this trust is confidential communication between a financial planner, accountant, board of trustees and beneficiary of the trust; it's revealed the mutual funds owned by the Riley Trust have a "consumer staples/consumer goods" component, and one of the stocks in that component is Phillip Morris.
It's a completely immaterial amount of money and it's not generated by securities that are able to be traded, unless the entire mutual fund is sold off.
This is another fine example of people who have an axe to grind with Jehovah's Witnesses doing a whole lot of work to produce a "smoking gun" that really is nothing of the kind.
This stems from some financial information that was released related to a lady named Henrietta Riley. Apparently a wealthy JW that made the Watchtower Society the beneficiary of the income from her trust. Ms. Riley's financial planners had only her financial interests at heart when managing her investments.
This site has some financial information displayed:
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/politics.php
The brokerage statement (the second image at the very bottom) reveals, not that she owned Philip Morris stock, but that she owned part of a mutual fund which held Philip Morris stock.
It's doubtful to me that Ms. Riley managed her own stock portfolio, so it's doubtful she knew every stock that made up the mutual fund displayed in that part of a brokerage statement, and impossible that she actually went out and directed her agent to buy the stock specifically.
After all she was running some sort of almost 2,000,000.00/year rental operation which made up the vast majority of the income of her trust.
Her total revenues were $1,783,647.00 (not including capital losses) and her interest and dividend income was $63,023.00. If I'm reading that last column, the title of which is obscured, correctly, the actual income generated by the Philip Morris stock was $912.00.
Summed up, about 3.5% of Ms. Riley's Trust's income was generated by interest and dividends, and the dividend income from PM-.05% of the income.
Tobacco companies have been sued in last 15 years prominently since Tobacco whistleblower Jeffrey Wigand, Ph.D. made some information public on 60 Minutes.
- March 2001: The Supreme Court affirmed the Circuit Court's ruling that the Food and Drug Administration could not class tobacco as a pharmaceutical, so could not control its production through the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act. (FDA v. Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp.)
- June 2002: A District Court in Kansas awarded $15 million in punitive damages against R.J. Reynolds Tobacco after calling the company's conduct "highly blameworthy and deserving of significant punishment." (David Burton vs. R.J. Reynold's Tobacco)
- June 2002: A Miami jury held three cigarette companies liable for $37.5 million in a lawsuit involving an ex–smoker who lost his tongue to tobacco–related oral cancer. (Lukacs vs. Phillip Morris)
- October 2002: A Los Angeles jury issued $28 billion in punitive damages against Phillip Morris. This was later reduced to $28 million. (Betty Bullock vs. Phillip Morris)
- 2004: A New York jury issued $20 million to the wife of a long-term smoker who died of lung cancer at the age of 57. This was the first time that a New York court had held a tobacco company liable for an individual smoker's death. (Gladys Frankson vs. Brown and Williams Tobacco Corp)
What is some of this money used for? Anti-smoking campaigns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheTruth.com
The truth campaign was modelled after an anti-smoking campaign in Florida. Florida's Office of Tobacco Control formed the Florida Tobacco Pilot Program in 1997. The program set out to drive a wedge between the tobacco industry's advertising and a youth audience. The program not only assembled a team of advertising and public relations firms to develop the marketing portion of the campaign, but also directly polled Florida's youth. From this emerged the campaign concept of a youth movement against tobacco companies promoted through grassroots advocacy and a youth-driven advertising campaign.
The American Legacy Foundation receives the majority of its funding from payments to the National Public Education Fund established by the Master Settlement Agreement. The MSA called for payments to the fund for five years and thereafter for years in which the tobacco companies participating in the agreement collectively have a 99.05% market share. The foundation received what is likely the last guaranteed payment in 2003. The participating manufacturers’ share does not currently meet the threshold and is not expected to in the foreseeable future. As a result, the foundation and the truth campaign are now facing a serious funding challenge. Efforts are being made to raise funds to continue the truth campaign as well as continue funding the foundation’s other programs.
Phillip Morris funded or is funding an anti-smoking campaign. I see that as a good thing.
How You Can Quit Smoking - Jehovah's Witnesses Official Web Site
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Violence Training
by MrFreeze indid anybody notice the paragraph in today's study edition that pretty much said that "violent video games and movies are training people to be violent towards each other during the great tribulation".. i really had to do my best to not laugh when i read this.
i don't know if any of you watch penn & teller's show.
they did a show on violent video games and their effect.
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alice.in.wonderland
It said this:
During Jehovah’s day, those who have been molded by the world and its evil spirit will display their true nature, even slaughtering one another. In fact, it could well be that the numerous forms of violent entertainment popular today are conditioning the minds of many for the time when each man’s hand “will actually come up against the hand of his companion.” (Zech. 14:13) How important, then, that we reject anything—movies, books, video games, and so on—that may engender within us traits that are detestable to God, such as pride and the love of violence! (2 Sam. 22:28; Ps. 11:5) Rather, let us cultivate the fruitage of God’s holy spirit, for such qualities will prove to be incombustible when the figurative heat is on.—Gal. 5:22, 23.
There are some movies I really don't see the point in except to disgust you. Don't care to watch this stuff anymore.
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6000 Years doctrine has a flaw... duh
by ex-witness inlet's see... .the sumerians existed 10000 years ago.. archaeologists have found a settlement in china with evidence of tools and agriculture that is over 1.36 million years old.
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hmmm.. that's a big difference between 6000 and 1.36 million.... .
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"According to historical records, everything started off fully developed about 2000-3000 B.C. ..."
That must be according to the "official" Watchtower "historical" records... The same source that gave us the year 607 B.C. for the destruction of Jerusalem...
"carbon-14 dates are not accurate prior to 1600 B.C. ..."
Oh, goody, Malice is making stuff up, again...
Malice, get a REAL education. Radio-carbon dating is accurate to a point nearly FIFTY THOUSAND YEARS ago...
And here's a website with more information, and VIDEOS!! I think they use small words, so you should be able to follow it...
Zid "
The material being analyzed by radiocarbon dating has something to with its reliability (defining attribute of a substance rich in carbon).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14
One of the most frequent uses of Carbon-14 dating is to estimate the age of organic remains from archaeological sites. Were the remains of Sumerian's material being analyzed organic? What are the Sumerian remains that are being analyzed?
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We are not false prophets
by Cook My Socks UK inbelow is the outline for a talk on the service meeting this week, i guess to help ones to answer the objection / accusation - how would you refute, if this reasoning was used by a jw at your door?.
have not jehovahs witnesses made errors in their teachings?.
jehovahs witnesses do not claim to be inspired prophets.
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“If a religion that is, according to the Witnesses, a false and inferior one can yet recognize that its past is always the measure for its present and future, and that something needed to be done to at least begin to right the wrongs it committed in its past, how can you say that the religion of the Jehovah’s Witnesses is ignorant of doing even better?”
Official statements have been made about prior expectations of the early Bible students that allowed for personal reflection.
jv chap. 28 p. 631 Testing and Sifting From Within
At certain times the Bible Students had hopes and expectations that have been ridiculed by critics. Yet, all those hopes and expectations were rooted in a keen desire to see the fulfillment of what these zealous Christians recognized to be the unfailing promises of God.
From their study of the inspired Scriptures, they knew that Jehovah had promised blessings for all nations of the earth by means of the seed of Abraham. (Gen. 12:1-3; 22:15-18) They saw in God’s Word the promise that the Son of man would rule as heavenly King over all the earth, that a little flock of faithful ones would be taken from the earth to share with him in his Kingdom, and that these would rule as kings for a thousand years. (Dan. 7:13, 14; Luke 12:32; Rev. 5:9, 10; 14:1-5; 20:6) They knew Jesus’ promise that he would return and take with him those for whom he had prepared a place in heaven. (John 14:1-3) They were acquainted with the promise that the Messiah would also select some of his faithful forefathers to be princes in all the earth. (Ps. 45:16) They recognized that the Scriptures foretold the end of the wicked old system of things and realized that this was associated with the war of the great day of God the Almighty at Armageddon. (Matt. 24:3; Rev. 16:14, 16) They were deeply impressed by the scriptures that show that the earth was created to be inhabited forever, that those who lived on it were to have true peace, and that all who would exercise faith in Jesus’ perfect human sacrifice could enjoy an eternity of life in Paradise.—Isa. 2:4; 45:18; Luke 23:42, 43; John 3:16.
It was only natural that they should wonder when and how these things would occur. Did the inspired Scriptures provide any clues?
Using Bible chronology that had first been laid out by Christopher Bowen of England, they thought that 6,000 years of human history had ended in 1873, that thereafter they were in the seventh thousand-year period of human history, and that they had surely approached the dawn of the foretold Millennium. The series of books known as Millennial Dawn (and later called Studies in the Scriptures), which were penned by C. T. Russell, drew attention to the implications of this according to what the Bible Students understood from the Scriptures.
People seem to have some misconceptions and difficulty relating to the men in Brooklyn, New York and their early contemporaries. It's an item of interest for me to step into another person's shoes and understand their circumstances early in the 20th century.
