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  Are You Going To the Memorial?

  by headisspinning in

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  i can't see myself not attending.

  i would feel horrible not to go.

  i don't know where i'm going to land and if i had to look back and think i didn't go... well, i would feel awful..

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  Ya, I gotta go this year.........I think the only way I'll make it through is by consuming an entire bottle of one of the emblems beforehand.
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  Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine

  by jgnat in

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  djeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.

  his objection was my statement,.

  "i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.

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  egghead said: this prejudice that many people have as to our religious refusal to accept blood transfusions starts with the doctors that make some outrageous statements to the public as to how horrible Jehovah's Witnesses are as parents to allow their children to die for religious reasons "when a blood transfusion could have saved their lives" is religious persecution being brought to bear against us because we regard blood as sacred and these folks that bash us do not and hardly believe in God.

  I imagine the pagans who sacrificed their children to Molech used the same useless argument.
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  Andres' Example In the March 1,2010 Watchtower

  by EmptyInside in

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  well, i never really paid attention before,until it was brought to my attention here on jwn,but andre sure has a lot going on in his life.. i happened to see in the march 1,2010 watchtower on page 21, the box on remarriage,the article is about the death of a marriage mate,andres,was against his father remarrying.

  but,then, he realized marriage cheered his father up again.. i think finding andre is a new fun game and makes it even worth glancing through the magazines again.

  lol.

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  Next thing we'll hear is how 'Andre' was a part time toilet scrubber at Buckingham Palace and how he was able to give a fine witness to Prince William about the evils of masturbation and committing pornia with your long time girlfriend, when Jehover made marriage the only way to have sex. Prince William quickly proposed and invited Andre to his wedding, but Andre declined as he felt that Field Service was far more important than attending a Royal Wedding.
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 03-27-11 WT Study (DISCOURAGEMENT)

  by blondie in

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  cope with discouragement.

  when holy spirit.

  (b) what can power from jehovah help.

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  It may also be that some among us feel a measure of discouragement because the end of this system of things has not come as soon as we expected.

  Ya. Wherever did "we" get the idea that this System was supposed to be long gone by now? Yet another lame example of the idiots in the Writing Department trying to shift the blame to the R&F instead of admitting that the goons at the top are responsible for the mess they've created. Just like in '76 when Freddie Franz had the balls to stand there at the ASSembly with his finger pointed at the audience and screech like a banshee: 'Armageddon didn't come because YOU were expecting it!!!"

  miseryloveselders said: The visiting speaker delivered a good discourse, and the outline he used was neutral in regards to patting the WT on the back, and bashing other Christian faiths. I was actually enjoying the meeting, shocking as they may be.

  Yep. Occassionally the talks could be very neutral regarding the bashing of 'false religion' and somewhat informative---almost enjoyable. But unfortunately, that feeling never lasts very long as this religion was founded and built upon by bashing everyone else outside the religion. Or, as in the words of Homer Simpson: "...sometimes the only way you can feel good about yourself is by making someone else look bad."
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  Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine

  by jgnat in

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  djeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.

  his objection was my statement,.

  "i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.

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  jgnat said: I am astounded by your claim that Jehovah's Witnesses, by personal bible study alone, would unitedly come to the same conclusion about "abstain...from blood" and unitedly come to the same conscience decision.

  Especially in light of the fact that even the Organization itself teaches just the opposite:

  "...Furthermore, not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if anyone lays the scripture studies aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years-if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness."----September 15, 1910 Watchtower, p. 298
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  What's the "SPECIAL TALK" going round before the Memorial?

  by hamsterbait in

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  there is a "special talk" happening on the 16th where cities will be linked together.. has anybody else had this already?

  was it another snoozefest?.

  hb.

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  My JW sister just told me about it. I think it's after the Memorial from what she said.....May 1st??

  It'll be the same old crap they always have: The sky is falling......give us all your money and braincells.......
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  Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine

  by jgnat in

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  djeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.

  his objection was my statement,.

  "i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.

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  Dedicated to egghead:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKK8mAkiUI
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  Archaeologists discover saber-toothed vegetarian

  by VM44 in

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  archaeologists discover saber-toothed vegetarian .

  by randolph e. schmid, ap science writer randolph e. schmid, ap science writer thu mar 24, 7:04 pm et.

  washington surprised scientists have discovered the remains of a saber-toothed vegetarian.

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  Refresh my memory: does the Borg teach that animals were all vegetarians after Adam & Eve sinned, or after The Flood?
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  Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine

  by jgnat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  djeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.

  his objection was my statement,.

  "i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.

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  @Mary, so why do you mention fornication in the context of two married people, Adam and Eve, when it isn't possible for a married person to be guilty of committing fornication when having sexual relations with one's own spouse?

  Oh good lord.........are you really this dense? The point I was making is this: Fornication = sexual relations outside of marriage. Does this mean that people were not allowed to have sexual relations under any circumstances? The answer of course is: No, it does not mean that. Laws on sex was not a 'blanket law'---it applied only under certain circumstances, such as fornication, adultery or beastiality.

  Another thing the early Christians were encouraged not partake of, concerned meat which had been sacrificed to idols. Does that mean that they could not eat any meat under any circumstances, even if they were starving to death? Of course not. The idea was that they should not be eating meat under certain circumstances---it was not a 'blanket document' forbidding meat under all circumstances.

  Now, compare that to the law on abstaining from blood. They were not to eat animal blood, especially from an animal which had been "strangled". Does that mean that the use of blood was not allowed under any circumstance? If you apply the same reasoning with fornication and meat, then the obvious answer is that the restriction on eating blood was not a 'blanket document' forbidding the use of blood under any circumstance, but only with regards to diet.

  Sure, I can, and perhaps you can explain how someone "having sex ... within a marriage" constitutes fornication.

  egghead, are you truly this stupid? I specifically stated just the opposite---that sex within a marriage was perfectly fine and did not constitute 'fornication'. Is English your second language? Everyone else got what I was saying, so please don't bother trying to twist my words around claiming I said something when I didn't.

  @Mary:

  "Each time the prohibition of blood is mentioned in the Scriptures it is in connection with taking it as food, and so it is as a nutrient that we are concerned with in its being forbidden."------September 15, 1958 Watchtower, p. 575

  The part in bold in the following is what you should have underscored if you wanted to be honest here (same quote): "Each time the prohibition of blood is mentioned in the Scriptures it is in connection with taking it as food, and so it is as a nutrient that we are concerned with in its being forbidden."------September 15, 1958 Watchtower, p. 575

  Um, you just underscored the exact same part I did egghead........(this just keeps getting better and better)

  I noticed you had nothing to say about the Borg acknowleding that blood was a tissue transplant and an organ transplant and then arguing that it's okay to have an organ transplant because: "...It may be argued, too, that organ transplants are different from cannibalism since the "donor" is not killed to supply food..."----The Watchtower, March 15, 1980, p. 31

  While the Bible is infallible, Jehovah's Witnesses are not infallible, and so when we are wrong about something, we will print a retraction in our literature so that all Jehovah's Witnesses are informed of a necessary change in our understanding of a matter to which we need to adjust, since there is absolutely no benefit to anyone today, for example, to be referring to Pluto a planet when on August 24, 2006, it lost that designation. Back on February 18, 1930, it was ok to refer to Pluto as a planet, but 76 years later, the IAU vote in the Prague stripped Pluto of its status as a planet, so that no one today refers to it as such

  OMG.......are you truly comparing the reclassification of Pluto as a "planet" (which killed no one and affected no one), with the Slobbering Body's never-changing doctrines which have screwed over millions of people over the last hundred years?!! Egghead---your notions are as hilarious as they are muddle-headed...........

  As I said to @TD, there reason I never lose a debate is because I'm never on the wrong side of one.

  Ya....you're right egghead......everyone else on here is wrong and you're right.............Maybe you should switch to a different brand of glue....one that doesn't destroy quite so many braincells all at once...........One good thing about your posts eggnog: The sheer insanity and lack of reasoning of a Witness is there for all lurkers to see. You're probably helping several people out of this cult once they read your drivel. Congratulations!

  
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  Inviting djeggnog to discuss the blood doctrine

  by jgnat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  djeggnog invited me to start a new thread about the blood doctrine, which i am happy to do here.

  his objection was my statement,.

  "i've seen the blood video, a deceiving mix of scripture, fearmongering and pseudoscience, with plenty of lab coats in view.

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  Mary

  Here's a few quotes from the Society's own literature that shows that 1) they acknowledge that blood is a tissue transplant; 2) that tissue transplants should be a 'conscience matter' and 3)that they are more concerned with the blood being used as a 'dietary' matter:

  "...Dr. Ciril Godec, chairman of urology at Long Island College Hospital, in Brooklyn, New York. He wrote: "Today blood would probably not be approved as a medication, since it would not fulfill safety criteria of the Food and Drug Administration. Blood is an organ of the body, and blood transfusion is nothing less than an organ transplant..."-----Awake! August 22, 1999 p. 31 Are Blood Transfusions Really Necessary?

  "When doctors transplant a heart, a liver, or another organ, the recipient's immune system may sense the foreign tissue and reject it. Yet, a transfusion is a tissue transplant."----How Can Blood Save Your Life?, 1999, p. 8

  "...Regarding the transplantation of human tissue or bone from one human to another, this is a matter for conscientious decision by each one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Some Christians might feel that taking into their bodies any tissue or body part from another human is cannibalistic. . . . Other sincere Christians today may feel that the Bible does not definitely rule out medical transplants of human organs. . . . It may be argued, too, that organ transplants are different from cannibalism since the "donor" is not killed to supply food..."----The Watchtower, March 15, 1980, p. 31

  "Each time the prohibition of blood is mentioned in the Scriptures it is in connection with taking it as food, and so it is as a nutrient that we are concerned with in its being forbidden."------September 15, 1958 Watchtower, p. 575