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  I AM SAD AND NEED SUPPORT

  by Scarlet in

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  my family has decided to shun me.

  last week my brother and my husband got in a heated debate and finally my brother asked him why he doesn't believe in the jw's and he said because there religion is based on a lie.

  well my parents found out and now have decided the best thing to do is shun me.

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  Mary

  "......my brother asked him why he doesn't believe in the JW's and he said because there religion is based on a lie....."

  That's the problem right there. As soon as a faithful Witness hears those words from an "inactive" Witness, then the blinders go on, the gates go up and they are deaf, dumb and blind from that moment on. That's "apostacy" in their opinion and they cut off communication for two reasons:

  1. So that of course you'll be so devastated that you'll come back and "see the light", and

  2. Because they've been warned time and time again over the years about listening to anyone who says ANYTHING against the Society, in other words: the Governing Body. They're told (as we all know) that "apostates" will try to "draw you away" with their "smooth lips" and "twisting" the scriptures, so naturally, your parents are unconsciously terrified that if they listen to you and your husband, that you'll be so convincing that they too will start to doubt whether this is "the Truth" and of course, then they'll fall in to Satan's snare and be drawn away and then they'll die at the Big A.

  I'm glad your sister can see the light, but your parents are a different (but common) story. My advice to you, if you want to keep the lines of communication open with them is to try the following:

  Write them a letter telling them how upset you are that they cut off communication. You might want to make it sound as though the reason you stopped going to the meetings is because you're upset at something an elder said to you, and wonder how this can be "the Truth", with an elder treating "a sheep" so badly. Your husband also feels "stumbled" and wondered the same thing, which is why he blurted out that he thought the religion was based on a lie.

  Although this is trickery, it can work. For active JW parents, this is more along the lines of you being "stumbled" rather than you being an apostate, and from their point of view, you can still be saved. They could easily either call you or write to you and of course, blather on about the light getting brighter, not all elders are perfect etc...........you could pretend to really take it all in and of course confirm with her that deep down you "know" it's the Truth, but you just feel really hurt and stumbled right now.

  Hopefully, your parents will be willing to "give you time" but will obviously be encouraging you to go back to the meetings. Eventually, they'll quit pestering you though, but as long as they just think you're "inactive", they'll be more likely to keep the lines of communication open.

  Not everyone wants to do something like this, but it depends on how much keeping those lines of communication open with them means to you.

  Let us know what happens. And God bless.
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  2 Assemblies??

  by El Kabong in

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  there were some in my old congregation that would boast to anybody who would listen that they go to 2 district/circuit assemblies.

  the reason for this is because they would so-called work at the assembly they were assigned to, so they couldn't get the full benefit from the program.

  so, they supposedly attended another assembly so they can sit and <cough> enjoy the program.

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  Matty said: You make the bruvvers sound like fish! You let the good ones get away? Did you end up with an old cod and a few sprats by the prayer on Sunday?!

  Nope. I didn't end up with any of them........now how dumb was that????
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  carbon dating

  by DIM in

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  it seems that either my computer or my wt-cdrom is not working properly, othewise i wouldn't need to post this.....anyway my pioneer mother called here ranting about how a new discovery was made that will ruin the evolution theory as we know it today and she was saying how they used carbon dating - and in her words - "which we as jw's don't believe in, since the dates are very inaccurate".

  i was curious as to whether or not the wts has ever used carbon dating to support any of their theories.....i seem to have it stuck in my head that they have done this several times.

  any help would be appreciated.

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  I was curious as to whether or not the WTS has ever used carbon dating to SUPPORT any of their theories

  I heard rumours that the Shroud of Turin can be carbon dated to 1914
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  USA WAR PROPAGANDA

  by proplog2 in

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  it is babylon the great.

  patriotism.

  policy.

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  America is by no means perfect, but it's the best form of government we have at the present time.........unless of course all you bleeding hearts would prefer to live under Communism, or maybe even Islam?

  Quit your frigging whining about all the "bad" things the USA has done; there isn't a country in the world that isn't guilty of attrocities.........the very country that you complain about ensure your Freedom of Speech........this you'd get that in Iran or Iraq?

  Our Canadian government is whining about the States "targeting" Canadian Citizens who are from the Middle East, who enter the USA, because it's "discrimination".........ya, well unfortunately, all the terrorists from 9-11 were from the Middle East so too frigging bad. What would Canada do if Islamic fundamentalists ran a couple of planes into the financial district of downtown Toronto? We don't have anything to defend ourselves, and we'd look to the States for help immediately.

  I'm not even an American, and I hope Bush kicks ass.
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  The Silence of Rutherford's son

  by VM44 in

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  "judge" rutherford had only one son, named malcolm, who appears to have never said anything about his father.

  this is strange.

  one would think that someone would have interviewed malcolm about rutherford, if at least to ask him how he viewed rutherford.

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  You mean Booze Rutherford actually had sex with someone???? That's more of a surprise than anything.........
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  2 Assemblies??

  by El Kabong in

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  there were some in my old congregation that would boast to anybody who would listen that they go to 2 district/circuit assemblies.

  the reason for this is because they would so-called work at the assembly they were assigned to, so they couldn't get the full benefit from the program.

  so, they supposedly attended another assembly so they can sit and <cough> enjoy the program.

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  Yep, we used to go to 2 summer assemblies for the sole purpose of meeting guys............I met several, but I was so dumb I let the good ones get away!!
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  Some disturbing facts. ( Beware it is alarming)

  by Xandria in

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  it is odorless and colorless and it delivers a swift knockout punch and then vanishes with out a trace.

  date-rape drug ghb is the tool for the perfect crime, and it is on the rise.

  andrew luster, great-grandson of the cosmetics mogul max factor and heir to part of his estimated $ 480 million dollar fortune is soon to be on trial.

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  LB said: So this guy is worth like a zillion dollars and has to resort to drugs to get laid??? You'd think someone would tell him it just takes a couple of lies.

  I think there's a big difference between a guy who just wants to get laid, and some loser slipping a date rape drug into her drink so he can screw her while she's out cold. Like virtually all rapists, it has more to do with power than sex..........any guy who has to resort to raping a girl while she's unconcious, is not much different than necrophila.
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  HARD TIME DEALING WITH DEATH PROSPECT

  by Mary in

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  i was talking to my parents one day last week, and they were discussing somewhat, arrangements they've made for when they die.

  even though i've known for many years now that armageddon isn't "right around the corner", it still came as a thunderbolt to hear them talk about when they die........not "if we die before the end of this system of things"........at this moment, i cannot conceive of my parents dying; largely because i was always told i wouldn't have to see them die, the new system will be here long before that happens.

  now that i'm faced with the reality of having to lose them one day (they're both 71), i'm having an extremely hard time dealing with it and i cry every day.. is this a normal reaction for anyone to have?

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  Francois said: Perhaps part of your emotional reaction is that of being lied to, of having your expectations deflated by reality.

  You're absolutely right........for years I totally and completely believed that the Big A would be here long before now, and what a wonderful feeling that was to think that I'd never have to see my parents die. I feel betrayed, I feel like a fool for believing these lies and I'm angry and the whole damn thing.

  Suggest you read Moody's "Life After Life" if you can find a copy.

  I read it years ago.........quite interesting.........I've always wondered if there was, indeed, a life beyond this one. I know the JWs teach that there's not (except for a few precious 144,000), but seeing as they've lied and twisted the scriptures on so many other things, I'm at least of the opinion that there could be life beyond death. Out of it all, that's the only thing I find comforting: thinking that maybe when we die, it isn't the end of the road.......
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  One day in the life of a missionary

  by fulano in

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  fuck, have two make breakfast for those bloody germans!

  ow my head aches, had too much wine yesterday on societys expenses, but the movie which started at 00.30 am.

  was so good on hbo.

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  Mary

  ..............as told by Milton Henschel
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  HARD TIME DEALING WITH DEATH PROSPECT

  by Mary in

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  i was talking to my parents one day last week, and they were discussing somewhat, arrangements they've made for when they die.

  even though i've known for many years now that armageddon isn't "right around the corner", it still came as a thunderbolt to hear them talk about when they die........not "if we die before the end of this system of things"........at this moment, i cannot conceive of my parents dying; largely because i was always told i wouldn't have to see them die, the new system will be here long before that happens.

  now that i'm faced with the reality of having to lose them one day (they're both 71), i'm having an extremely hard time dealing with it and i cry every day.. is this a normal reaction for anyone to have?

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  I was talking to my parents one day last week, and they were discussing somewhat, arrangements they've made for when they die. Even though I've known for many years now that Armageddon isn't "right around the corner", it still came as a thunderbolt to hear them talk about WHEN they die........not "IF we die before the end of this System of Things"........at this moment, I cannot conceive of my parents dying; largely because I was always told I wouldn't have to see them die, the New System will be here long before that happens. Now that I'm faced with the reality of having to lose them one day (they're both 71), I'm having an extremely hard time dealing with it and I cry every day.

  Is this a normal reaction for ANYONE to have? Or is it harder for Witnesses or ex-Witnesses because we were "promised" eternal life without facing death?