Posts by jst2laws

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Farkel: How is your father, how are you?

by lauralisa in

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dear farkel,.

i just read through your post of a week ago "what is right?".

i am so sorry about the agony you are experiencing regarding your father's suffering.

jst2laws

Farkel,

You know I’m just out (mentally, and spiritually) and very
new at this. There are many questions in my own mind as to WHAT REALLY DO I BELIEF. After spending 36 years in the Borg, the last few months I feel like Jonathan Livingston Seagull flying in the clouds. So please understand what follows is from a spiritual man experiencing a personal renaissance.

The original comment to Mommie that sparked the “What is righteous” thread included the thought:
‘the God I belief in would even let you blame him if that helps you through this’. You are going through trauma that I feel we are not made to deal with. Nor is it what God wants for us. Your lack of confidence in God, or even his existence, is understandable and even respectable in view of what you have been through in the past decades as well as what you are going through now. If we lousy humans on this board can sympathize, then I really believe God can too, even more so. The judgmental, seemingly arrogant God of the Hebrew scriptures is not the God I love and trust. That historic drama had the purpose of leading us to his Son, who revealed God to be a LOVING and patient SYPATHIZER with mankind, a RESCUER. He is revealed as hating no one EXCEPT self-righteous, authoritarian religionist such as the Pharisees.

You know who comes to mind as I describe my perception of God? You and others on this board.
No, I’m not saying you are God, but do you see some parallel?

Quote:
“I thought your God wrote me off. Not that I care that he did, or anything.
I thought I was toast in the mind of your God.
I'm just trying to understand stuff, Shebly. Unlike you, I have nothing figured out. If your God thinks I'm blasphemous in my process of understanding stuff then he is unworthy of my worship.”

Damn, Farkel! My God wouldn’t ‘right off’ his friend and fellow fighter. He wants to “toast” the same people you would like to “toast”. True, in your “process of understanding stuff” you’re a LOUD thinker. And true, in your outspoken rhetoric I wish you would at least include the possibility that there is a God who loves what you love and hates what you hate. But that’s where you are at right now.

I wish I could somehow help you deal with your dad’s condition. As said by others we support you and salute you.

Jst2laws

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df'ing in absentia...

by MoodyBlue in

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i was wondering... can the elders df you in absentia if you haven't admitted to doing anything wrong??.

my ex wanted his scriptural grounds for a divorce and i told him he had them.

he went to the elders with this info and they called me up last night to try and get me to confess ( which i didn't- i told them it was none of thier business) they told me that they were having a judicial for me wed at 7, and i said i wouldn't be there.

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Dear Moodyblue,

I hope you are not overly anxious about this. Yes they can take action without your attending, but they have to give you several oppertunities to meet with them. Then they can only take action on the testimony of two witnesses to serious wrong OR, and this is a broad one, "Strong circumstantial EVIDENCE". The following from the Paying Attention to the Flock Book sums it up.

[PATF - UNIT_5B ]
Strong circumstantial EVIDENCE, such as pregnancy or evi-
dence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the
accused stayed all night in the same house with a person
the opposite sex ( or in the same house with a known
homosexual) under improper circumstances is acceptable.

If it is any consolation, I here the service department is backing off on taking action on the 'staying over night' evidence. They prefer something more substantial. If they dont have it, they cant take action. However, some cowboys do what they want regardless of the guidlines but you can "Appeal" and win in that case.
Hope this is helpful.
Jst2laws

42

Are't You Sick of This??

by Explorer in

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aren't you sick of being filled with so much hate ?

i think hate is one of the greatest sins.

satan hates jehovah, and his people.

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Explorer,
I hope you are still with us. Just 4 months ago I was asking the same questions. You are on the right path. Keep loving, keep asking questions and keep looking. Don't hate anyone, nor let anyone else convince you that hatred is good. Just listen, learn, and only hate bad, and bad ideas, bad behavior.

What have you found here? Has it not been an experience? Love is the motive of most here. If you like, contact me by e-mail. Try Ross, on the first page of your post.
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Online Archive Watchtowers?

by philo in

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could anyone remind me where i can get old watchtowers online?

it was on the board recently, but i lost the link.

i'm trying to research the shunning policy.. thanks.

jst2laws

Peterstride,
I appreciate the offer. But I'm useing a limited laptop on an unstable teleline at this time. The middle of August I get back to normal. I'll hold my breath till then.

The history of WT teaching is one of its many weaknesses. With the eyes and ears of the loyal Jw's being closed to "godless apostates" I see the Watchtower itself as one of our best tools.

Jst2laws

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Online Archive Watchtowers?

by philo in

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friends

could anyone remind me where i can get old watchtowers online?

it was on the board recently, but i lost the link.

i'm trying to research the shunning policy.. thanks.

jst2laws

SF,
If I’m looking at this right, this site has every WT article from 1879 thru 1916! Please tell me this will still be there in a few weeks from now when I’m back to my desktop to download the whole thing.

Nicolaou,
Thanks too, for your link. Is someone putting the rest, 1917 thru 1949, online?

When I was disloyally searching the web as an elder, I displayed some of the sites that simply quoted the WT to another Elder. His response was, “this is the worst thing that they could do to us”. HE LASTED SIX MONTHS. He too is out.

Keep us up on additions, please.

Jst2laws

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FINAL PEDOPHIILE POLL RESULTS

by Amazing in

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final pedophile poll results .

important note: there is no means at this time to truly ascertain the total number of pedophiles in the usa or in any specific group, such as the jws.

estimates and extrapolations are about the best anyone can do in an attempt to get a handle on the potential scope of the problem.

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Amazing,
This is an eye-opener. I appreciate your educating me further in the different types of molesters. While I responded to your pole, I have only known of Situational Molesters, and fortunately have never known nor dealt with a Preferential Molester, or worse.

Let me please suggest a possibility as far as motives. While looking good maybe the motive of those assigned to the PR department at Bethel, and possibly on the mind of some on the GB, I doubt that this was the original motive in establishing the policy of leaving the government authorities out of the process. This is their policy in other judicial areas such as tax evasion or fraud.

I’m inclined to belief it is more their arrogant superiority over all other authority, and a disastrous attempt to maintain confidentiality in cases where a sinner appears to be repentant. They are way in over their heads playing God here. It seems most of these guys really believe, as I did, the organization’s wisdom is superior to the world’s, and therefore they are above the world’s rules. While this motive may not be as criminal as protecting an image, it is equally destructive in the matter of hiding molesters from exposure. At this point, however, that motive of image and self preservation may very well be controlling every move. I just hope we are able to get at the policy makers rather than just punish the mindless bones at the end of the whip.

Jst2laws

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Secret Watchtower Writer Exposed

by jst2laws in

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watchtower writer exposed.

sat through the watchtower today, both my wife and i grumbling under our breath, this is a joke.

we today have clear evidence that this foretold enthronement.

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Sixofnine,
Quote:
"Thanks for the laugh. It really does look like him, "that's the ticket" expression and all. (you didn't photoshop that, did you?)"

I'm not sure what you mean by "you didn't photoshop that, did you?" which probably answers your question. That was the first time I posted a jpg and was only concerned with file size. I’m looking for tips

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Why believe Revelation or Last Days?

by Seeker in

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those of us who used to be jws, i have a question for you: why would any of us think revelation has anything to say about the 21st century, or that we are in the last days period?.

when we left the jws, we did so because of their false teachings.

we saw through their faulty reasoning about why we are in the last days.

jst2laws

Amazing,
Quote:
"the question is when and what he will do and how it will affect those alive at that time. Until then, I believe that the best course for Christians is to simply live a Christian life, stay out of the Prophet business, and leave the rest to God."

I like that.

Jst2laws

13

Secret Watchtower Writer Exposed

by jst2laws in

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friends

watchtower writer exposed.

sat through the watchtower today, both my wife and i grumbling under our breath, this is a joke.

we today have clear evidence that this foretold enthronement.

jst2laws

To all the "children"

Maximus requested:
"Lord I have not heard the term Pappy for a very long time.
Please explain for the children, just2."

Pappy was the unquestionable patriarch of the Bethel family, President of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Nathan Knorr. I understand he was not only Pappy to the Bethel family but also to all the missionaries as well. I had little to do with Pappy but one time I disappointed him in a small personal matter and he chewed me out so bad (stern rebuke) his wife apologized for him in his presence.

Up till the announcements at the Bethel table (about 1975-76) of the GB committees, Pappy Knorr was Pappy.

Maximus

Sorry for the deceptive lead into this post. It must have been a disappointment.

Jst2laws

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Secret Watchtower Writer Exposed

by jst2laws in

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friends

watchtower writer exposed.

sat through the watchtower today, both my wife and i grumbling under our breath, this is a joke.

we today have clear evidence that this foretold enthronement.

jst2laws

Watchtower Writer exposed

Sat through the Watchtower today, both my wife and I grumbling under our breath, “this is a joke”.

“We today have clear evidence that this foretold enthronement
took place in 1914.” Par 1

WT 1971, “more clearly identified the modern’day Governing
Body”. I was at Bethel then, and regardless of what was
identified, Pappy was definitely still in charge.

“The restoration of proper oversight greatly strengthened the
Christian congregation.” Par 4

“the Devil unleashed a wave of unprecedented persecution” Par 5

“Jehovah’s Witnesses have been blessed with increase” proceeds
to use tools of flawed reasoning to cover up reality and
make it look as if there is no late growth problem. Par 8

Then quotes 1950 WT “God is now getting ready a new world
society … This nucleus will go through Armageddon,… the first on
the field of action in the ‘new earth’…, organized
theocratically, knowing organization procedures” Par 8 . This
reminded me of the CO just 3 months ago telling me his “love is
expressed by supporting organizations policies and procedures.

What a big JOKE. Everyone was accepting this as words form God. JOKE! JOKE! JOKE!

Who could write such a JOKE? THEN I DISCOVERED THE SECRET WRITER.

He is in the picture on page 18 looking straight at the camera SMILING, as if to say:

“Yeah! I wrote this stuff. Yeeaaahhh! That’s the ticket!”

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