full deposit: publications and masthead documents in english.
partial deposit: publications in english.
partial deposit: publications in english.
Hawkaw,
Just to say thanks to everyone working on this project. I had just started my own summary of the NGO scandal for a few friends who think the WT explanation is reasonable. I was about to force myself to delve back into “the big UN thread” to glean. Then I found this and once again you have done all the work for me.
Thanks again.
Jst2laws
i am an active jw and was raised as one.
i have been watching the site for a while and thought it could benefit from the opinions of someone who is happily a member of the jw's.
i will not get into any argumets that lead to nothing except name calling, and will not talk with anyone who is just plain mean (plenty of them in here).
Dear Scumgrief,
You sound like me on this board just 8 months ago.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=3642&site=3
Hope you stay around. As Joy2bfree said, there is much to be learned here and a lot of kind persons. You will eventually see things that disturb you. Try not to blame God. Looking forward to more of your thoughts.
Jst2laws
i need all cases that you know about.
if possible, names and dates.
if you have newspaper articles, photos, court cases, web-reference, would be glad to learn about them.
BJ,
Watchtower Press Room Overseer, Wheelock, stepped out his Bethel window only a few years ago. Not the first nor the last there.
One successful suicide by a publisher in this congregation. Three serious attempts by another resigned elder in the same congregation in the last two years.
About 5 years ago I visited the lock up ward to console a teenager after her second attempt. Concerned she would feel worse being cut off from her family and friends she assured me she was not alone. In a ward of about 200 there were two other witness youth in with her for the same reason.
If you must have names and dates I will give you what I can in a private E-mail. I would really like to see a summary of your findings.
Jst2laws
in past posts i have placed god on trial by questioning two issues: 1) the issues in the graden of eden, and the severe punishment of the entire human race for a very minor act of eating fruit.
2) god ordering the extermination of entire cities, including every last man, woman, child, baby, and even livestock.. results: the result on this forum have be mixed as expected, but showed a range from suport to tryuionmg top explain these events with reasoning, logic, or plausibilities.
some felt that i might be losing my faith.
Amazing,
I am leaving town tomorrow and may be unable to respond for a while, but this post is profoundly important to me. Lets not let this die. Perhaps we can discuss it further elsewhere.
I have questions without answers too. But worse, I have answers ( “private ideas”) that do not match the conventional questions. I think they are all pieces of an important puzzle. I do not believe it is wrong to look at the puzzle and ask what the puzzle is portraying. Questioning and searching does not betray disbelief in the existence of the puzzle nor the reality of intelligence behind the origination of the puzzle. Thanks for the post.
Jst2laws
i found this short essay about the differences between science and religion interesting and decided to share it.. the source is the online version of longevity, by gurvinder bagga, november, 2001 issue url: http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/sauna/3748/lr86.htm#dif.
a scientist will give up his life for the betterment of humanity.
a religious fanatic will sacrifice humanity for his ideals.
Damn,
I'm a scientist and didn't know it. I hope this doesn't make me a Christian scientist!
Seriously, Mindchild, I am printing this one and will have to spend more time deciding what it means to me.
Jst2laws
all of us have had negative experiences as a result of leaving the witnesses, some much worse than others.
many here, have expressed a bitterness and an anger over loosing so many "wasted" years.
while these are natural feelings, i think there are several positives we can dwell on as well.
Hello Larc,
I appreciate what you have done here.
I sympathize with each of you who have differed with Larc’s post. Not because I feel he is wrong but because I see YOU have BEEN WRONGED. You no doubt have been hurt by the WT. But no one is saying you have not been hurt nor is the point that you have been helped you more than you have been hurt. However, it may be healthy for us to look at the positive gains from an experience ALONG WITH THE NEGATIVE so as not to be swallowed in bad emotions
Larc said:
“It seems to me, that a good deal of our present happiness is determined by what we choose to dwell on. If we dwell on bad experiences we will feel bad. If we use our past experiences to help ourselves and others, we become much happier people in my opinion.”
My opinion as well. Having dealt with my own tendencies toward depression as well as helping others, some of us have identified a common enemy we call “Stinken Thinken”. Forcing ourselves to dwell on more positive thoughts does not change our history or the accountability of those who have harmed us, but MAKES US HEALTHIER.
Thanks for this effort.
Jst2laws
i have not followed very many threads of late, so if someone has already made the same observations i'm about to make, i apologize for my redundancy.. .
i admit it: i'm part of a highly secretive, highly elite group.
(we have to drink two quarts of fresh yak blood and get a tattoo of a pentagram on our butts as part of of the initiation.
Hey Farkel,
Your back, and it was good. And you seem to have made your point and accomplished your purpose. Good job.
UncleBruce,
Quote:"I gave up posting long serious research articles a while back due to lack of interest and now just come here for laughs."
Thanks for that. Some of the best I seen for not being "serious", with laughs for a bonus.
Jst2laws
visions of a legacy tonight, i open up my soul to all of you with things that have come into focus for me in recent weeks.
i am not sure how or why i have been able to nail down a few things of importance to me, but finally they have become clear to me.. the question: we all have in common the fact that each of us will one day leave this life and close our eyes in death.
the question we each have before us is what will we leave behind in our wake?
Amazing,
Saintsatan said,
"Bravo. And again bravo!"
Thats what I mean by more attention.
Jst2laws
visions of a legacy tonight, i open up my soul to all of you with things that have come into focus for me in recent weeks.
i am not sure how or why i have been able to nail down a few things of importance to me, but finally they have become clear to me.. the question: we all have in common the fact that each of us will one day leave this life and close our eyes in death.
the question we each have before us is what will we leave behind in our wake?
Amazing,
This work definitely deserves more attention.
Room215,
I tried to respond as you requested at
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14609&site=3
but your e-mail is locked. Please contact me.
Jst2laws
does anyone remember dennis and brenda freeman?.
it was in 1967 when i met dennis.
my job in the bethel factory allowed me to move around and work with many different people.
Hello Room215
Quote: "There's just no ``comfort zone'' left, alas.
Do we know each other? Drop me an email."
I would like to e-mail you but you address is locked.
Jst2laws
