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  Need Information 1-28-01 newspaper

  by JT in

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  did anyone save the article where jr brown states that elders are volunteers and untrained and that male jw who hold no positions are spiritually lacking.

  i think it was in one of the ky papers.

  james

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  THANKS for the help
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  Need Information 1-28-01 newspaper

  by JT in

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  did anyone save the article where jr brown states that elders are volunteers and untrained and that male jw who hold no positions are spiritually lacking.

  i think it was in one of the ky papers.

  james

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  Did anyone save the article where JR Brown states that elders are volunteers and untrained and that MALE jw who hold no positions are spiritually lacking

  I think it was in one of the KY papers

  James
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  Is God real to you?

  by alias in

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  in a recent topic someone mentioned how much they have drifted from god since they "left the jw's.".

  as someone brought up in the org (inactive for several years)i have found this to be similiar in my case.

  i don't know how much i believe the fan/plug analogy (remember that in the live forever book?

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  Same here-

  Once the door was OPENED to question WT the next step that many former jw take is to examine the concept of "A Loving God"

  for the first time in my life i can ask the questions that i have always wanted to ask of a "loving god" without fear.

  some may argue whether there is a god or not, but one thing is for sure if there is a god then he has been sitting on the front porch drinking iced tea while his kids have been down here on earth getting the shaft-

  while i would never tell someone that they must have my view- for i understand that for many they need a concept of God-

  so as i say "If it gets you thru your day- provides you with peace of mind - then Great- but i don't need those things any more"

  - and i fully understand why believers feel the way they do - thier belief system requires it of them and therefore they have no choice but to look upon others as somehow lacking in thier life-

  all religious belief systems require that of it's followers in one way or another----------

  this was a post i read awhile back that best describe my feeling about the various ways beleivers try to explain the concept of a "Loving God"- while at the same time watch his kids here on earth get the "ROYAL SHAFT"

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  The Tale of the Five Officers (2000)
  Mark I. Vuletic

  When Ms. K. was slowly raped and murdered by a common thug over the course of 1 hour and 55 minutes, in plain sight of five fully-armed off-duty police officers who ignored her terrified cries for help and instead just looked on until the act was carried to its gruesome end, I found myself facing a personal crisis.

  You see, the officers had all been very close friends of mine, but after hearing about their inaction, I found my trust in them shaken to its core. Fortunately, I was able to talk with them later on, and had my doubts laid to rest.

  "I thought about intervening," said the first officer, "but it occurred to me that it was obviously better for the murderer to be able to exercise his free will than to have it restricted. I deeply regret the choices he made, but that's the price of having a world with free agents. Would you rather everyone in the world was a robot? The attacker's choices certainly weren't in my control, so I can't be held responsible for his actions."

  "Well," said the second officer, "my motivation was a little bit different. I was about to pull my gun on the murderer when I thought to myself, 'But wait, wouldn't this be a perfect opportunity for some unarmed by-stander to exercise selfless heroism, should he chance to walk by? If I were to intervene all the time like I was just about to, then no one would ever be able to exercise such a virtue. In fact, everyone would probably become very spoiled and self-centered if I were to protect everyone from rape and murder.' So I backed off. It's unfortunate that no one actually showed up to heroically intervene, but that's the price of having a universe where people can display virtue and maturity. Would you rather the world were nothing but love, peace, and roses?"

  "Personally, I didn't even consider stepping in," said the third officer. "I probably would have if I didn't have so much experience of life as a whole, since Ms. K's rape and murder seems pretty horrible when taken in isolation. But when you put it into context with the rest of life, it actually adds to the overall beauty of the big picture. Ms. K.'s screams were like the discordant notes that make fine musical pieces better than they would have been if all the notes were flawless. In fact, I could scarcely keep from waving my hands around, imagining I myself was conducting the delicious nuances of the orchestra."

  "Look, there's really no point in my trying to explain the details to you," said the fourth officer, who we had nicknamed 'Brainiac' because he had an encyclopedic knowledge of literally everything and an IQ way off the charts. "There's an excellent reason for why I did not intervene, but it's just way too complicated for you to understand, so I'm not going to bother trying. Just so there's no misunderstanding, though, let me point out that no one could care about Ms. K. more than I did, and that I am, in fact, a very good person."

  "I'll let you in on a secret," said the fifth officer. "Moments after Ms. K. flatlined, I had her resuscitated, and flown to a tropical resort where she is now experiencing extraordinary bliss, and her ordeal is just a distant memory. I'm sure you would agree that that's more than adequate compensation, and so the fact that I just stood there watching instead of helping her has no bearing at all on my goodness."

  By now, it had become clear to me that there was no difficulty reconciling my friends' goodness with their behavior that one day, and that anyone who disagreed must be doing so for love of evil over good.

  After all, anyone who has experienced the officers' friendship in the way I have knows that they are good. Their goodness is even manifest in my life--I was in a shambles before I met them, but now everyone remarks on what a changed person I am, so much kinder and happier, and possessed of the inner calm that everyone so desperately seeks. I am ashamed that I ever doubted their entitlement to my loyalty and my love.

  As I was getting ready to leave, the first officer spoke up again. "By the way, I also think you should know that when we stood there watching Ms. K. get raped and stabbed over and over, we were suffering along with her, and we experienced exactly the same pain she did, or perhaps even more."

  And everyone in the room, myself included, nodded his head in agreement.

  JUST MY 2

  JT
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  Do Kids Hate Being JW`s?

  by Englishman in

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  my kid brother, tom, was born to witness parents.

  he was something of a surprise package and my parents were delighted.

  my father said that tom was:.

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  now i like this guy called Fred Hall
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  Do Kids Hate Being JW`s?

  by Englishman in

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  my kid brother, tom, was born to witness parents.

  he was something of a surprise package and my parents were delighted.

  my father said that tom was:.

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  RHW-
  you sumed it up very nicely- literally no life at all

  i recall the few elders when i was growingup who tried to introduce some activites in the life of the jw youth in the hall

  softball or bowling and how it was SHOT DOWN AS A TIME WASTER

  how sad

  James
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  A Different Perspective

  by RedhorseWoman in

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  this tale was sent to me by someone on one of the e-mail lists i belong to.

  i found it quite thought provoking.

  perhaps you'll enjoy it, also.

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  Redhorsewoman:

  You are one Sick Chick--

  BUT I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- SMILE

  I only wish i could have been a Fly on the Wall.

  this is why i love this NET "THANG"

  THANKS

  my wife and i are about to crack out side

  man i wish i could see the expression on the fact of a jw entering your living rooom and seeing all those things on the wall

  SMILE

  James
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  NEW RELIGION! NEED INPUT!

  by TR in

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  this is sort of a take-off of the "what should the wt do" thread.. i need to get together a board of directors and elect a president and officers.

  we need to figure out a doctrine, a manifesto, and a set of disciplinary rules.

  we need to figure out a way to fund our new movement.

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  Harmony STATED NOT TO WEAR CLOTHES DURING BAPTISM

  THERE is a scriptural basis for that

  you are being BORN AGAIN now did you have clothes on the first time you were born NO

  so there you have it no clothes for baptism

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  i love the bible you can find a text to support almost anything

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  What should the WTBS do?!?!

  by LDH in

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  well guys sorry i haven't participated much lately, i've been really busy.

  but, i do have a question that i would really appreciate all of your input on.. it is no secret that young people are leaving jws faster and faster.

  it is no secret that most jws are disappointed, and hurt by lack of prophecy fulfillment.. so here's what i was thinking: i'm going to post some very personal thoughts on what *i* think they need to do in order to stop the loss of almost 50,000 disfellowshipped and probably 4x that to inactivity.

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  u r a sick puppy-

  SMILE

  jt

  PS CAN I BE ONE OF YOUR DEACONS

  SMILE
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  Can You Believe THIS?

  by LDH in

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  from the jw-media site http://www.jw-media.org.

  ::::do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?.

  many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.

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  Larc says

  Based on what he has said here, and what he has said about 1975, and about college leads me to believe that Xandit hasn't lived it. I have never known a JW or xJW who shares his views on these issues.

  ******

  i feel exactly the same way personally i wonder was he really a jw or just studied for 3 months

  for me when he stated that the general attitude of HIMSLEF AND other jw in his area was one of:

  "TAKE THE WHAT THE FDS SAYS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT"

  was a serious red flag- that statement alone makes him a joke

  the entire basis of JW land is that the FDS speaks and directs by means of God and to say you can take what they say with a Grain of Salt is funny

  i can see my man at the Elders meeting at the Circuit Assembly with the DO and you states

  "o brothers we can take what the FDS says with a Grain of salt"

  yea right

  just my 2

  JT
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  Can You Believe THIS?

  by LDH in

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  from the jw-media site http://www.jw-media.org.

  ::::do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?.

  many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.

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  Xandit says about the WT org:

  "I take them at their very specific written word."

  *******

  i don't know whether to Laugh at this guy or cry for him

  i wonder would he be the kind of person who would buy a bridge if someone says they have the deed and title to it

  just wondering what kind of "Mindset" is willing to take someone at their word when they claim thier word is Directed by God himself

  Used Car salesmen must love this guy

  just my personal opinion based on what he said

  just my 2

  JT