Thank you thank you
you are DA MAN
this is why i just love the NET THANG-
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does anyone know where i can find a scanned copy or link to the recent study article on college.
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Thank you thank you
you are DA MAN
this is why i just love the NET THANG-
when i first came here a while back there was plenty of discussion around and about jw topics and general chit chat but of late i've felt quite a sharp increase in posts that are: .
1/ preaching aethism (as opposed to putting it forward in a respectful way as an alternate viewpoint.
2/ vitriolic attacks on those who dare have another view ('damn those stupid heretical believers') .
the statement was made
"Qcmbr you gotta realize man that most ex-Dubs have got the lowest possible tolerance for unprovable beliefs than probably any other group of people. We've taken it in the ass for too many years and it seriously makes a lot of us nausious to even read an account of someone bobble-headedly yapping about ANOTHER heap of unprovable make believe."
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bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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does anyone know where i can find a scanned copy or link to the recent study article on college.
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Does anyone know where i can find a scanned copy or link to the recent study article on college
thanks
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the publishing process started last april and seemed to have stalled over the summer.. i received the proof copy last week and was quite surprised that the book would be released that soon.
i'm so very happy!.
you are an inspiration, my wife and i are writing a book as well f our life in the wonderful world or WT
thanks for the movtivation
hey everyone i know its been a while since i posted but today i felt the need.just wanted to update you all on my position which is still brainwashed!i just dont know what to do i gain my strength to conquer this disease,(thats what i call being born in the org) from others like freedom lover who have come out of this religon free and clear i know its not easy but i know it can be done.i dont know why i just cant get over it and move on already,but theres thats piece of me that says,but what if?then im back, screwed and tatooed with jdub on my forehead,thinking that jehovah is upset and dissapointed with me and satan has me in his grasp.im stil sooo confused even with all the evidence pointing to they are full of crap!what if they arent?i just want to know the truth even if i dont choose to follow it,i want to know if jehovah is watching me torment myself every day,going back and forth and i cant take it anymore.then i think what if there is no jehovah?who the hell am i praying to with my daughter at night?
(the air mabe)you see my daughter still believes even though she is ready to celebrate halloween this year and yes we bought her a costume,cinderella!my mother comes and takes her every now and then only if i promise to go to some meetings and i did last weekend i attended the sunday meeting for once in a about 6 months!felt strange to be there but once again going to a different cong i got love bombed.btw i feel guilty and scared about having anything to do with halloween this year.yup still dealing with the guilt,fear,agony,of knowing and believing in the dubs,for so long now trying desperately to get out without feeling the way i do.i just dont know what to do anymore and its a shame because the dubs have sucked the life out of me(guess i didnt check my doubts soon enough).if i dont get off the fence soon im going to go nuts.i like believeing that satan doesnt even exist and that there is no heavenly org.gives me peace of mind that i can just live my life,if theres a god,fine,is it jehovah?thats where the conflict arises and i cant just go on with my life thinking jehovah has lost me to the other side!
!im not a lost cause yet guys.i need new light!
plz read COC- if you are serious then you need to read his book- otherwise you are merely treading water
it seems that when a person leaves jw's, there's just no telling where he'll end up spiritually.
christian, jew, pagan, jamesthomasism -- i dare say every faith is represented among us.. but there are those that reject faith altogether.
they are often accused of letting the watchtower steal god from them, or throwing the baby out with the bath.. are you one those that rejected faith altogether after your exit?
i find this sums it up nicely for me
"Religion is what the common people see as true, the wise people see as false, and the rulers see as useful."
-Roman philosopher Seneca-
*** w98 8/15 p. 17 strengthening our confidence in gods righteousness ***.
feelings of having suffered needlessly.
6 in the past, some witnesses have suffered for refusing to share in an activity that their conscience now might permit.
everyone - your points are on the money, but i thought this poster put it into a nutshell very nicely
thakns and i will put this post in the archives:
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When you Witness drones believed that you were following the dictates of the WT's conscience you were actually following the dictates of your own conscience.
Now listen up all you WT kiddies. When we screw up it is always your fault because you shouldn't have listened to us. You should listen to us except when you shouldn't listen to us and regardless, it is always your fault. You are to blame. So, you must listen to us and not listen to us at the same time and we want you to enjoy it when we speak out both sides of our mouth.
i am 40 years old and i have been hearing the same old song by jw's "armaggeddon is around the corner" since i was a toddler.
it has to come to their minds that how long are they going to keep saying that armaggeddon is "near" or "around the corner"?
or they eventually going to quit believing in this fantasy and look at reality?
64 FAILED END-OF-THE-WORLD PREDICTIONS BEFORE 1990
http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/skeptic/predictions.shtml
<a href= http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/13/ar2005101301957.html> 78yr old jw katrina victm kicked out on the streets</a>.
this was in the metro section on friday here in dc, so after i read this article i could not beleive that out of all the congos here in dc md va no one made arrangements to help this old 78 yr old jw out as the article says she had dwindling options, why there are over 20,000 jw here in washington dc area .
the article is interesting in that she got booted out of 2 jw homes and no one else picked up the slack.
<a href= http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/13/AR2005101301957.html> 78yr old JW Katrina victm kicked out on the streets</a>
this was in the Metro section on friday here in DC, so after i read this article i could not beleive that out of all the congos here in DC MD VA no one made arrangements to help this old 78 yr old jw out as the article says she had dwindling options, why there are over 20,000 jw here in WAshington DC area
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the article is interesting in that she got booted out of 2 jw homes and No one else picked up the slack
so much for taking care of widows and orphans
as i looked at the title of the article it is sad to think that a jw becomes the "POSTER CHILD" for Uncertainty of ones future
By Theola S. Labbe Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 14, 2005; Page B01
The shelter for New Orleans evacuees at the D.C. Armory was about to close, but Stella Oselem wasn't worried. After weeks of kindness from strangers, Oselem, 78, decided to accept an offer to live in a private D.C. home with someone who shared her Jehovah's Witness faith.
But soon after she moved in, her host went on a trip and put her with another family. Then, about a week later, the second host told her to leave to make room for out-of-town family members, Oselem said.
Stella Oselem, 78, arrives at her new hotel room in Rockville, emergency housing made possible by the American Red Cross. (Photos By Kevin Clark -- The Washington Post)
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With dwindling options, she found herself this week at a walk-in center for Hurricane Katrina evacuees at D.C. General Hospital. She clutched a white slip of paper, a referral for a hotel in Rockville.
"Thank God I got it," Oselem said of the 14-day hotel voucher sponsored by the American Red Cross. Her social worker said she would try to get Oselem's name on a federal housing list for a senior citizen apartment.
For many of the dozens of hurricane victims who moved out of the armory shelter in the final days before it closed on Oct. 4, the adjustment to post-shelter life has been problematic.
They were living in a cocoon at the armory, a 24-hour facility where social workers and volunteers were always on hand to help them stitch together their tattered lives. There was a daily menu of social outings and free tickets to football and baseball games. Strangers become friends, volunteers like family.
With that phase now over, many of the evacuees say they are thinking about their prospects with a greater sense of urgency while feeling less certain of who will help them sort out their future. Those living in hotel rooms relish the comfortable beds, cable television and privacy. But without the camaraderie of the shelter, their isolation is palpable.
On the second floor of the Travelodge hotel on Bladensburg Road NE, Nathaniel Williams, 52, was in his pajamas about 11:30 on a recent morning, and the television was tuned to CNN, which flashed images of New Orleans. He said he was thinking about staying in the Washington area and finding a job. But he still had not received the $2,000 in disaster relief funds that the Federal Emergency Management Agency was supposed to provide to evacuees, he said, and he planned to go to the walk-in center to find out why.
When he arrived on the hospital campus, the FEMA representatives had left. He also had missed his caseworker.
"Another day, wasted," Williams said as he left.
Of the 659 hurricane survivors who have received public services at the armory or elsewhere in the District, 88 have been placed in hotels in the Washington region, 60 in the District, 22 in Maryland and six in Virginia, according to the D.C. Department of Human Services, which is tracking their cases.
Cameron Ballantyne, spokesman for the local Red Cross, said the nonprofit organization will be reimbursed by FEMA for the cost of 14-day hotel stays, which can be extended if there is no other housing option. The job of helping the evacuees find permanent places to live falls to city social workers.
i am 40 years old and i have been hearing the same old song by jw's "armaggeddon is around the corner" since i was a toddler.
it has to come to their minds that how long are they going to keep saying that armaggeddon is "near" or "around the corner"?
or they eventually going to quit believing in this fantasy and look at reality?
Yep it is almost here
Take note of these 2 also:
The church father Cyprian of the third century"
"That wars continue to prevail, that death and famine accumulate anxiety, that health is shattered by raging diseases, that the human race is wasted by the desolation of pestilence, know that this was foretold; that evils should be multiplied in the last times, and that misfortunes should be varied; and that the day of judgment is now drawing nigh." (Cyprian, Treatise 5, "An Address to Demetrianus.")
In the sixth century, Pope Gregory the Great said:
"Of all the signs described by our Lord as presaging the end of the world some we see already accomplished.... For we now see that nation arises against nation and that they press and weigh upon the land in our own times as never before in the annals of the past. Earthquakes overwhelm countless cities, as we often hear from other parts of the world. Pestilence we endure without interruption." (quoted in His Appearing and His Kingdom, by T. Francis Glasson, M.A., D.D., The Epworth Press,