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  Are You Going To the Memorial?

  by headisspinning in

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  i can't see myself not attending.

  i would feel horrible not to go.

  i don't know where i'm going to land and if i had to look back and think i didn't go... well, i would feel awful..

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  The last Memorial talk I went to was given by a Bethelite that our hall paid to have flown in from NY to the west coast. If I hadn't already known what he was talking about....I wouldn't have had a clue as to what the whole thing was about. Mispronunciations, momotone voice, ramblings that seemed to lead nowhere. There were two 19/20 year old girls sitting in front of me that were visitors invited by someone in our Cong. During exceptionally muddled portions of the talk,they would look at eachother quizzically and shrug their shoulders. I knew they were completly baffeled by the whole thing. As I said, I would have been too, had I not been a life long JW. I leaned over to my wife and asked her if she could follow what he was saying. She normally would never say anything negative about anything done at the Hall but this time I could tell she was starting to see something different about this religion we had been raised in.

  Afterward the Sister these girls came with , started taking flash photos of them holding her grandbaby and making a big deal out of it being the baby's first memorial as if it was a milestone in his life. I remember the sisters always dressing up, some with hats, long dresses and wearing corsages etc. 2000 plus years later, the wine and the bread are still being passed around to an audience that doesn't take any of it. It struck me as how odd the whole thing was. At the same time our DF'd son who was diagnosed with cancer a few weeks after being DF'd, was going through Chemotherapy and was sitting by us sick as a dog, his thick head of hair gone and his Mom and I not sure if this would be his last Memorial or if he would survive. 200+ people who he had known since his birth were shunning him with all their might while celebrating Jesus death and ransom for our sins. It was the last straw for me....I knew there was something really wrong with this arrangement. It took his Mom another two years before she could loose the supersticion about missing the Memorial that had been part of our indoctrination since birth. She has dropped it completly and has adjusted so well unlike me who is still mourning somewhat, the years I lost and the hurt for having trusted for so long.
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  What other websites do you check out daily?

  by exwhyzee in

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  do you participate in any other forum discussions?.

  what other websites do you find interesting?.

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  exwhyzee

  Do you participate in any other forum discussions?

  What other websites do you find interesting?
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  It is all about counting hours.

  by Sour Grapes in

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  the april km in the "question box" ask "how long should we.

  study with a progressive bible student?".

  it says that there are "two publications that need to be completed.

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  I can see the value in keeping track of the time spent in the Ministry in order to quantify what is being accomplished statistically. I think the problem comes when individuals are required to put their name on a time card and when someone else can use this number as a barometer of this persons worth as a Chrisitan or his devotion to God. It puts pressure on the individual and can make the quantity of the time service the primary factor and the counting of time overly important.

  Our Hall had the "Phantom Publisher" who turned in time but didn't put their name on the time card. I don't know if they added his/her time to the Cong. total.
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  What Are Their Motives?

  by headisspinning in

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  i have a question.

  if jws are a cult, what is the motivation of the leaders?

  what are they getting out of controlling all these people?.

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  exwhyzee

  I think the members of the Governing Body, who likely were "born in" or long time JW's, are themselves "victims" of the cult or captive to a concept. The orginization has taken on a life of its own and is inperpetual motion. The current Witnesses are just continuing with what was started long ago by individuals who for what ever reason, good or evil, convinced enough people to buy into the program and the rest is history. Children were born "in" and convinced since birth that they would die at Armegeddon if they didn't do what they were told. They grew up and did the same to their children and some of those children became Governing Body Members, CO's. etc.

  Why would they want to change an arrangement where they believe they are showing the rest of the world the error of it's ways while at the same time they themselves are living a lifestyle that includes job security, being revered by millions around the world, all expenses paid world travel for showing up and telling the multitudes what they could read in the Bible themselves for free. It's a heck of a deal and it will continue as long as they can provide a happy ending at end of a 192 page publication.
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  Will Jehovah resurrect Elizabeth Taylor? If so, will former king, David kill over her?

  by miseryloveselders in

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  so it goes in life...........

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  I thought she was very glamouous of course but a little overly groomed and made up looking for my taste, but that was the style then. My young sons cant even fathom how she was even considered beautiful....shows you how ones idea of beauty is shaped by the times you were living in while forming such ideals.

  I think she will be resurrected...after all, the only opportunity she had to learn the "truth" was from Michael Jackson and who could blame her for not responding favorably ?? (kidding)

  Too bad things were so rough for her at the end....sorry to see her go,
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  For born in's: how did your parents get you to answer up?

  by highdose in

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  my mum used to smack me on the arm with a rolled up wt when it was my turn to answer, she said it was " to make sure you didn't forget!".

  most of the time i ended up just yelling "ow!

  " and rubbing my arm, but she never got the message.. another way was to scream at me non stop all the way home after the meetings if i hadn't answered up.

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  I always got the impression that JW moms used their kids answers as a baromoter to rate their worth as mothers. It was a feather in a Mom's cap to have a good answerer in her household. When I was little my mom used to make me stand up so that the Conductor would be sure to see me. I would be crestfallen if he didn't call on me so I could say "GEEESUS" (anything to get a pat on the head and make Mom happy....it's what she lived for)Later, if we didn't answer or at least raise our hand, we would be denied priviliges,especially if you had been sitting with a friend during the meeting.

  For a time at our hall, at the end of the WT study, the PO would assign the teenagers certian paragraphs to answer for the following Sunday and he required them to sit in the front row. I couldn't believe the parents went along with this but they did. It all ended when some of the teens who had gotten their drivers licenses began leaving after the public talk and having their own study at someone's house. One young brother got married when he was 19. When he came back from his honeymoon, the attendant told he and his new bride to move up to the front row. He flatly refused and caused a pretty good scene. I think that's when people finally said "enough already"

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  Are JWs the worst restaurant customers?

  by Alfred in

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  (a little background info before i ask my question...).

  my sister-in-law (non-jw), who manages a popular chain restaurant near a kingdom hall, just found out that my wife and i have recently faded, so she decided to get something off her chest the other day... you guessed it: she wanted us to know that jws are the worst customers ever!

  she then told us some really embarrassing stories about how jws would request a table for 15 to 20 people (after a sunday meeting) and then (when the bill came) some of the jws would start deliberating amongst themselves on whether or not the waiter was diligent or not (to justify the low tip he was getting anyway).

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  Did your sister in law actually use the word "dilligent"? If so, you know it's a true story LOL !
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  Ideal Paradise

  by WontLeave in

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  am i the only one who's in awe at the stock invested in the average jw's correlation to the society's publications and the probability of what the new world will be?

  from my conversations with people in the various congregations i've been in, i've pieced together their concept of the new system:.

  women and clean-shaved men in casual-business attire constantly gardening adjacent to tiger cubs.

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  exwhyzee

  In the new system...all books will have a happy ending and there won't be any more "crying in your beer songs" on the radio.

  In an effort to avoid bringing attention to the individual....all houses will be painted a society sanctioned shade of beige, and the sisters will all wear Catholic school girl uniforms....knee length. Later when we are able to handle splinters and seeing "waffle marks" on eachothers behinds, clothing will be done away with.

  Your career will be chosen for you by the local body of elders as they see fit.

  When people are resurected they will be resurected perfect while everyone else is waiting to "grow" to perfection. This will give the those still suffering from the lingering effects of imperfection, something to hope for.

  If you have inoperable cancer or are 95 years old during Armegeddon but somehow live throught the trubulation, you will eventually die of these things during the 1000 wait for perfection and be resurected perfect later.

  When a coconut falls out of a 50 foot coconut tree and lands on your head, before you have reached perfection, you'll will still suffer brain damage but once you are perfect such an occurance won't even hurt.

  Don't worry....it will be great !
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  New Urban Legends?

  by Pika_Chu in

  1. watchtower
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  has anyone heard this one before?

  it's similar to the one where the angels are supposedly protecting this woman out in fs.

  a brother/sister knock on someone's door, the guy answers it, his familiy are huddled into a corner, crying.

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  exwhyzee

  An then there's the one about the Circuit Overseer and his companion who encountered a woman at a door claiming to be able to see into the future and speak to the dead. The CO promptly read her a scripture from the Bible that pointed out how God is against such things. The woman began shrieking with laughter and was bordering on becoming hysterical. The Circuit overseer immediately realized her reaction as being Demon induced, so he hauled off and slapped her across the face. Later, the horrified companion asked the Circuit Overseer why he had slapped this Woman. The Circuit Overseer replied " Because Brother...the Society has admonished us to always Strike a Happy Medium"

  (true story...I was in the same car group! ;)
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  Would you do this for your daughter?

  by Snoozy in

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  a girly party..via avon calling?

  two of their many parties:.

  platinum princess party .

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  exwhyzee

  I raised boys so what do I know about little girls.... but it seems like so many of them want to act like teenaged celebrities especially ones that are celebrities for no reason (Paris Hilton). I'd say it would depend on her age and how level headed she is and what her friends are like. Did she earn the privelidge somehow? It does seem pretty reasonably priced....don't see the harm in it so long as I was sure it wouldn't give a little girl the idea she was entitled to such things or that fun had to involve mass consumerism....over the top glitz and glamor. Kids can become jaded if they peak too soon.....nothing to look forward to...been there done that at 10years of age because they were handed everything without the satisfaction of having earned it.

  Just my random thoughts...