Posts by exwhyzee

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Lurkers - can the "increasing light" excuse cover TERRIBLE non-scripturally based advice?

by cedars in

this thread is directed at those of you who are "lurking".

perhaps you visit this website frequently because you know something is wrong with the watch tower society, but you don't feel you know enough yet to form a solid opinion.. as you are aware, the society regularly uses the "increasing light" concept to excuse any scriptural advice or prophetic understanding that is subsequently reversed or changed.

put simply, the governing body would have us believe that god's holy spirit, which is guiding the organization, is deliberately feeding false scriptural information to the society as a "makeweight" until true understanding is revealed at a later stage (at this point, i would add that none of the scriptures quoted by the society in support of "increasing light" suggest that god's holy spirit would act in such a manner, but this is for you to discover for yourselves).. with all of the above in mind, please may i draw your attention to this advice, which was printed in the august 5th, 1979 awake!:.

exwhyzee

I agree with the ridiculousness of using the "New Light" explaination whenever they change their thinking on things. It's pretty interesting how God always gives them new light just when their old light has been proven or is about to be proven laughable. It's funny too how he always agrees with whatever new light they come up.

I must say though that I didn't get the idea from the statement you provided from the 79 Awake that they were advising anyone not to call the police in to assist during instances of domestic violence. To me they were simply stating that because of the frequency of domestic violence calls, police are called away from their other duties or caring for other individuals. I didn't for one second get the sense that they were telling people that Domestic Violence isn't important or that Police assistance isn't necessry. Which part of the statement you provided made you think they were giving advice....maybe I'm missing something?

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What's The Biggest Difference In Today's JWs And The Witnesses From Decades Ago?

by minimus in

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i believe today's witnesses lack zeal, resolve, "love" of the "truth"......just to name a few things.. years ago, witnesses were excited to knock on doors and tell people they were gonna die if they didn't accept paradise.. now, when you see jws in service, they all look zombied out.. it's a slowly dying religion that will last probably forever like an ancient rotted out tree..

exwhyzee

I honestly can't remember the last person who was baptised who wasn't a child of a JW or had some other family

Yes this is true. Our hall split several times in the last 20 years, had a remodel and a quick build and has 3 congregations meeting there. In that time there was only one new person that studied and was baptized. The rest of the growth came from JW's that grew up and had kids or moved here from another area. That one guy who actually studied and was baptized was married to a former witness who fell away. She was found in service and reactivated. She had two kids and was married so she convinced him to study. He had a pony tail and tatoos including a naked woman on his arm. He eventually got his hair cut so he could join the Ministry school and got a bikini tattoo'd on the naked lady. Later he became a MS who was often shown as a shining example of what applying the truth in your life can do for you. My wife had the daughter as a patient this week. She told her that sadly her Dad commited suicide 5 years ago, her brother has two kids and is a crack addict. The daughter (very pretty) is 24 already has three kids and is covered with tattoos. She has "fallen angel" tatooed across her lovely skin above a huge set of tatooed wings comming out of torn flesh on her back. The Mom is still in but the family is a train wreck.

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Read S. Hassan's Book: Do JW's really fit the cult mold?

by simon17 in

first time i got a chance to read his book, "combatting cult mind control" and was interested to see if jw's fell into the cult mold.

my opinion after carefully reading and having left the witnesses after almost 30 years is... no, they don't.

however, i would add that they wish they were but are simply too big and unwieldy to really pull it off.

exwhyzee

People who wind up being cult members never think they are in a cult. I think that the JW's recruiting tactics are more insidious than that of a full on Cult. Most people would run from the typical cult member but JW's are taught how dress and appear harmless and how to lure potential interested ones in using the hope of paradise and everlasting life. Lest the intrested person should be scared off, they withold the information about Holidays, Blood, disfellowshipping and the restriction of outside non JW information. The person isn't told that once he becomes a Witness, there will never be a ligitimate reason for him to leave the group without suffering dire consequeces. They purposely wait until the person is well along the way toward being a convert and has learned to doubt his own reasonings before revealing the full extent of the hold this group will have on their life. They present themselves as people who there only to rescue those who are sighing and crying over world conditions. Most JW's beleive that is really what they are doing because they really don't understand the inside goings on of the organization they have dedicated themselves to folowing or view their tactics as devious. Children who's parents are JW's stand no chance of ever getting out without shreadding their entire support system and personal histories to ribbions. They are taught from childhood in mind numbing all day education sessions to be at war with themselves internally and to doubt their own common sense ...even view their own internal warning system as being of the devil. They are taught that terrible consequences will befall them if they ever disagree with or leave the group.

Are JW's a Cult....maybe not in the true sense of the term but the methods they employ are the same as the ones cults are known for and the effects these have on those who end up being associated with them, are just as effective in convincing individuals to give up their lives and personal freedoms based on teachings that have time and again proven to be untrue.

Better the cult you see, Than the one you don't see .

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What's The Biggest Difference In Today's JWs And The Witnesses From Decades Ago?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i believe today's witnesses lack zeal, resolve, "love" of the "truth"......just to name a few things.. years ago, witnesses were excited to knock on doors and tell people they were gonna die if they didn't accept paradise.. now, when you see jws in service, they all look zombied out.. it's a slowly dying religion that will last probably forever like an ancient rotted out tree..

exwhyzee

Everything has been dumbed down, homogonized and has been made formulaic. The dramas are canned, the music is recorded, talks are from predictable outlines and hardly anyone researches anything anymore or really knows why they believe what they believe. The facts no longer matter...as long as the tid bits of information picked up at the meeting when one happens to be listening, make some sense and gives one a sense of superiority over the world, all is well. During the assemblies and meetings they hear how deep into the end we are but are thinking about going to the Olive Garden afterward. They go in service with literature containing this urgent message but afterwards they plan their upcomming trip to Hawaii or the new house they are building. They are no different than the rest of the Christendom...they just think they are.

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Sloppy brother/sister, always getting in trouble, why does every hall have one?

by Quarterback in

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well, we are on a roll.

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i remember the brother that always had that same pair of pants with that grease spot in the same place.

exwhyzee

Yeah.....poor dog.

Good one LOL !

I remember being being assigned to a new book study group which turned out to be at a pretty run down house. Our second Son was a newborn at the time. I looked over to see that the Sister who owned the house was holding our new baby and letting him suck on her fingers! In the next day or so he developed THRUSH which is a fungus like infection of the mouth and throat. White sores everywhere, he was miserable and crankey and for the next week we had to swab his mouth with Gentian Violet, a purple liquid that stains everything. The following book study my wife (who was too embarrased to say no) let the woman hold the baby again. She started to let him take hold of her fingers just as was rushing over to make some excuse rescue him out of her arms. I asked her not to do that since we had just spent a week getting him over a bad case of THRUSH. She looked horrified and said ewwww as she yanked her fingers away as if she was afraid to catch anything from HIM.

I don't think I'm snobish but looking back, I was often frustrated at having to even knew so many of thes back woods types and being in situations that let to being inside their homes. I'd look around at congregation get togethers and think "what am I doing here ?"

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Let's Review: How the Watchtower Society Uses Quickbuilds to Make More $$$

by under_believer in

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i posted something similar to this in another thread, but i decided that this is an important subject, and something that a lot of people don't realize, so i expanded it into its own post.

and we can always use a review now and then, so that lurkers, active witnesses, and newly ex-witnesses can catch up.

according to the watchtower society, one of the best examples of god's holy spirit operating on the organization is the building program.

exwhyzee

Our hall was originally built in the 60's, It was a beautiful PanAbode log cabin style of building nestled in the forrest here in the Pacific Northwest. The inside had arched laminated beams holding up a soaring cedar ceiling. From the inside looking up at the ceiling it always reminded me of a wooden ship (the ark) turned upside down. Visiting Witnesses used to be quite impressed by our hall because it was unique. In the 90's they had a Quick Remodel and of course the Society required it to look like all the new cookie cutter halls so the beautiful cedar beams and walls were covered with drywall and a low suspended ceiling was installed and the nice cedar framed windows taken out. By the time we paid off the loan, the town had experienced a boom and the Kingdom hall was now surrounded by shopping and businesses. The land the Hall was on was now worth millions. We were able to purchase a new piece of forrested land and build a new hall with an appartment and have money left over. It was sad to see the old hall torn down and see those arched Beams exposed like a Cedar Skeleton.The left over money was sent to the society instead of being kept as a fund for future maintenance or building expansion. My question is if a Congregation did dissolve, how could they fairly distribute the funds ( our Hall was worth milions) among those that contributed. There would be no way of doing this without knowing how much each one gave, who they were and also how to distribute it among members who contributed but moved away or died. It seems like the intent of the original contributers was to furthur Kingdom Intrests so it's only logical that the Society would receive the proceeds. The fact that they made a prophit is a bonus to their original goal.

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Sloppy brother/sister, always getting in trouble, why does every hall have one?

by Quarterback in

jw
friends

well, we are on a roll.

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i remember the brother that always had that same pair of pants with that grease spot in the same place.

exwhyzee

and there sits a car parked on the front (dead) lawn of the Witness home.

During a Watchtower study about JW's striving to set a fine example in the community, a brother (also a janitor) who's home was far from exemplary commented on how our vehicles in service should bring honor to our work by being clean and in good repair and our homes should set an example in the neighborhood and reflect Jehovah's fine standards. A young brother in front of me who lived near them, leaned over and said to another young brother quite loudly "What's HE talking about.... his front yard looks like a cow pasture ? " Lots of snickers could be heard.

I guess these folks just don't see themselves as untidy, are in denial or else they are just plain hypocrites.

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Help! My brother wants to hate me.

by strymeckirules in

tonight i tried to contact my blood brother.

i am 32 he is 30.. he was baptised at 10 and df'd at 12, 22 and now he would have been again but he walked away.. i made no progress with our reunite.

he's hating on me for leaving the family.

exwhyzee

he was baptised at 10 and df'd at 12,

Can you imagine hearing them announce in front of a Congregation full of people that a 12 year old was disfelloshipped and then being expected to shun him ? Imagine being that kid ?

That sounds like a thread in itself !

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Having a huge disagreement over a very petty matter. HELP!!

by Magwitch in

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friends

my best friend and i have come to blows over such a petty thing.

i would love to get the input of other people on this matter.

please give me your honest answer so i know if i am out of touch.. i live in a community with mostly single profession people in their 40's and 50's.

exwhyzee

Doing something as "familiar" as to borrow something of hers without direct permission might have made her wonder if maybe you were the type that would also think it was ok to go through her things as well and not think of it as snooping. I can understand your thinking on this but I'd have to agree with your friend and BF and say that the woman was justified in not asking you to watch her cat again if that's how she felt. In her house, her rules apply....that's why it's called HER HOUSE.

I'm pretty casual about stuff like this but I would have to say I might be taken aback by having this happen at my house while I was away.

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"You're Stumbling Me"

by Ding in

the wts sometimes turns the "stumbling" concept into a manipulative weapon.. the biblical concept of "stumbling" is that if you know someone else has a weakness you shouldn't do something that will cause him to cave in to that weakness.

for example, if you have a friend who is trying to fight alcohol addiction you shouldn't invite him to go somewhere where everyone else will be imbibing.. i think it's perfectly legitimate for a friend to tell you that he has a drinking problem and that he'd really appreciate it if you would refrain from serving alcohol while he's over.

but i think it crosses a line if the friend tries to manipulate you into swearing off alcohol altogether because the mere thought of you drinking booze will stumble him.. but some jws try to get others to refrain from doing things "so you don't stumble me.

exwhyzee

If you stumble someone....you're bad,

If you're easily stumbled or let someone stumble you....you're bad.

He who is easily stumbled, becomes overly strict and sets the rules for everyone else and expects everyone else to tip-toe around him.

The super strict overly sensitive ones are usually the ones who are 2 seconds from "falling out of the TRUTH"

The reason they are so sensitive and easily stumbled is because on some level they know the whole thing is a sham.