Posts by exwhyzee

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Video- JW Stutters a Presentation and Partner Stands Silent

by OnTheWayOut in

here's a video that shows how they just go through the motions.

one jw is totally not the type to do the door-to-door work, yet he stutters through it and the partner knows it ain't her turn so she offers no help.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c93fpl84gvs.

exwhyzee

Since this 60ish man has delt with this problem all his life, it probably isn't as uncomfortable for him to do this as it is for us to watch it. I'm sure that a certain amount of the householders will listen out of politeness and admire his courage. Others may have been going about their day and been quite taken aback after encountering something so compeltely unexpected at their front door.

I'm curious why the camera was rolling and why, although they must have seen the cameraman the witness went along with it. I think there is more going on here than meets the eye.

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New Zealand earthqauke 7.0

by Mattieu in

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black sheep & karter, hope you guys are ok, looks like it made a mess of christchurch... http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/earthquake-pf-74-magnitude-rocks-christchurch/story-e6frf7l6-1225914075673.

exwhyzee

During an earthquake the safest place to be, is in a doorway. That makes Jehovah's Witnesses and Amway salesmen the least likely people to get hurt.

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How do you NOT sound like an apostate...???

by AwSnap in

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....how do you *not* sound like an apostate when you live in the same small town as the family who is shunning you??

how frusterating and annoying.

i hate when peope ask about my family (especially if they know any of them).

exwhyzee

They believe I'm not living the way I should be living, and it's part of their religion to shun me.

Your answer sounds just fine...it's true and simple and it doesn't sound like you are trying to make them appear bad, your just saying it like it is.

Perhaps a brief email to your family telling them that from time to time you are asked how they are all doing. Tell them that to avoid making anyone uncomfortable you simply avoid the question or just say that you've been busy lately and haven't heard from the family recently. Then tell your family that unless they have a better suggestion, your answer from now on will be....(insert your above comment)

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All the accusations- and no substance....how SHOCKING!

by theMadJW in

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are there pretenders in our brotherhood- as in all religion- that do what is evil?.

yes.. have we made stupid guesses about some of the prophecies, as all churches do?.

yes.. does our "organization" make mistakes- as, you guessed it, all do?.

exwhyzee

Do we get involved in politics, support what God defines as immorality, have a paid clergy in each congregation, teach God a trio of Sadists ('Hellfire'), that Satan told Eve the TRUTH- that we never really die ('immortal' soul), etc?

Typical logic...compare your religion to the worst examples out there, in order to prove to yourself that you have the absolute truth and are God's chosen people.

That's sort of like a drunk driver, with current auto insurance, feeling superior to the drunk driver who has no insurance at all. "Yes officer I'm drunk...but at least I have insurance" In reality, both of these drivers are a menace on the road.

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Steven Hawking changes his views on God

by exwhyzee in

i don't remember what his views were in the first place....anyone know ?.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100902/lf_nm_life/us_britain_hawking.

exwhyzee

I don't remember what his views were in the first place....Anyone know ?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100902/lf_nm_life/us_britain_hawking

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We are feeding the answers to the Bethel Lurkers!!

by clarity in

are we providing the material for damage control?

are we making them look credible?

like giving them a "heads up" as to what is ssoooo wrong, and they're trying to fix the fallout!

exwhyzee

If they use this site to find out what is bothering people in the Organization and why people leave, it may be a good thing. I don't have a problem with it if they use this info to improve things and make things better for those Witnesses who choose to or have to stay. When I called the Bethel office, I asked my questions and related my situation to them and I asked why they don't have some sort of forum where Witnesses can air their grievences, make suggestions and let those taking the lead know what is going on. I told them that many good people are dying on the vine for want of a way to get their questons answered and be heard without fear of being thought of as Apostate.

The good news is that with the Internet, anyone can now fully understand what it is they are getting into before they get their lives totally consumed by this organization. I wish I had known more about their background and the real experiences of others from around the world, before I spent so many years believing everything they said. Those that have built their life around it already or have family who have, are stuck or have to undergo a major upheaval. It's very telling about the organization, if they have individuals lurking in the shadows in order to find out what people are really thinking. Any organization, secure within itself, would be able to face it's own people and ask for their input.

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Meeting topics that cover sex

by Libelle in

occassionally the mr will say that "some visitors are shocked because we will talk about sex, even with children in attendance.

" what exactly are they talking about in these meetings.

things like "don't masturbate" or things like if you position yourself like this, and your woman like this while having sex, then you're fornicating?.

exwhyzee

I always wondered what someone who happened to come to the meeting for the first time would think when they heard the discussions about Imorality, beastiality,fornication, unclean acts, Circumcision and Circumcision of the heart etc. I remember a little girl raising her hand in the meeting and and making an indepth comment about Circumcision and I thought it was pretty odd for a little girl to be discussing this in a public meeting. I was also at a Witness wedding once and during the Wedding talk, the speaker gave advice about a Womans mood swings during her period. When I asked others if they thought this was odd...it seemed that most though it was but others thought it was good "practicle" advice.

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Recognizing Common Pitfalls of False Argumentation - By Ray Franz

by flipper in

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there are honest ways of arguing- and dishonest ways of arguing.

in ray franz book " in search of christian freedom " on pg.

437 he quotes some points from " logic and contemporary rhetoric " by howard kahane of bernard baruch college regarding invalid methods used by people who pontificate on the basis of superior wisdom or superior authority.

exwhyzee

Farkel nailed it !

What do you call it when they debunk Scientists or the Clergy as being unreliable andm even from Satan and then quote them when they agree with the Societies doctrines ? Is there a name for that?

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How it happened....

by AK - Jeff in

i was reflecting today on just how it happened.

how did i, a man who believed himself to be a clean worshiper of the most holy god, have a crisis of faith that resulted in my current state of affairs?

how did i get here, when i was not sure even which way the wind was about to blow me?.

exwhyzee

Interesting comment AK. I like how you seem to have some order to your journey. For me, mine is a bit disjointed at present. It seems like new concepts are comming at me fast and furious. Things I knew/sensed since childhood, but had squeched for the sake of others feelings and my own cowardice.

I don't know if I believe the Bible is God's word or if there is a God. I've come to the conclusion that I've wasted too much of my life agonizing over what he wants or doesn't want from us. This was all going on centuries before I ever arrived on the scene and I'm not responsible for having to have all the answers.

I don't like how Christians think they can claim that when people are good, they are being "Christian". There are plenty of good people in the world who are that way without even knowing a thing about Jesus. I don't like how Christians are willing to punish those who don't believe what they do.

I'm glad to have cast off the burdens placed on me by an orginization and organization members, since childhood, and at this late stage in my life, start finding out what it is to live...today....and enjoy it without the feeling of universal significance being attached to everything I do. I am noticing in myself, a growing sense that the best is yet to come.

Hope it's that way for you too.

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Is My Co-worker a JW?

by White Dove in

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in my nervousness, i inadvertently deleted a well thought out post.

here is the short version:.

my co-worker shuns me completely unless i ask him work related questions.. he treats everyone else nicely and jokes with them, but not with me.. he can't bring himself to even look in my direction.. when i walk up to the area he's in, he hightails it to somewhere else.

exwhyzee

On your way to work, tell him you're concerned about "world conditions". No real Witness could resist that one.