No wonder they're needing to consolidate all the cash from the congregations at HQ. A Bethel lawyer probably gets paid less than $200/month these days, whereas a corporate-level Outside Counsel will easily charge 2-3X that amount AN HOUR.
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Experienced Attorney's and Paralegals Needed at Bethel!
by Atlantis infrom (the source) 2015, january 13, boe.. .. .
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Experienced Attorney's and Paralegals Needed at Bethel!
by Atlantis infrom (the source) 2015, january 13, boe.. .. .
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Hahaha!! They waited, what, two whole weeks after their college bashing session on JW.org TV where they specifically said they would no longer subject any brother or sister to the dangers of the law school environment? Too funny!
"Please note that we are not encouraging individuals to pursue higher education or university degrees to obtain skills related to legal matters."
Will this be the standard boilerplate language on every letter requested
educatedskilled brothers or sisters to donate their time and energy for free to Bethel?The standard MS Word template they use probably looks like this:
"Please note that we are not encouraging individuals to pursue higher education or university degrees to obtain skills related to <insert name of skill where education is required here>."
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What I Saw & Heard in the Oral Argument Hearing on January 14, 2015
by ABibleStudent inim not an attorney and i could not record the hearing, so please forgive me if i make mistakes in relating what i remember of the oral argument hearing for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society on january 14, 2015 and the length of this post.. i arrived at the civic center/union plaza in san francisco, ca about 7:30. the area is very nice with a few homeless people sleeping in the park across from the courthouse.
it took me about 10 minutes to find the clerks office for the court on the first floor, which opened at 8:00.. once the clerks office opened, the two clerks who i talked with were very polite and helpful.
the arguments for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society were scheduled 5th out of (i think) 8. while i was in the office a cameraman and another person for nbc arrived asking about the hearing for candace contis case.. the courtroom for the 1st appellate court is on the 4th floor and takes up most of that floor.
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Thanks for the first-hand report.
The good thing about appellate judges is that they typically are very good about educating themselves on the facts of the case. The short oral arguments are often just the "icing on the cake", so if a particular attorney isn't that strong, hopefully it doesn't affect the judges' final decision too much.
From my surface-level understanding of the Conti case and its record-setting judgement, it appears to break new ground. By that simple fact, the chances of it being overturned are that much higher. Setting legal precedent is always an uphill battle.
Whether the original judgement is upheld or overturned, this seems to be the highest profile case against the WTS to date. Because Conti wasn't willing to settle out of court, all the nitty gritty of the Organization's judicial process is out in the open and on the record...with NBC cameras rolling no less.
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Brooklyn Update – January 10, 2015
by Sour Grapes inemail sent to me from a friend in new york city..
brooklyn update january 10, 2015.
we have spent the last few weeks in training at the montgomery facility (near walkill) there are 6 couples that were trained to go on the road as ldc field representatives of the branch.
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We visited a Hall yesterday – that truly looked like a 1970’s funeral home!
Let me guess...floral pattern on the curtains, and mauve and/or teal color scheme? Oh, and cheap fake flowers on the stage. Sounds like 90% of KHs I've been in. I'd love to know who in the RBC/LDC is infatuated with the palette of 1987!!!
On a side note, I've always found Dave Palen (Palin?) to be a pretty nice guy. I'd heard he was now based in NYC area, but didn't realize he was doing anything outside of the normal CO role.
In this time of the end Jehovah’s people will be the largest property owners in the world
Hmmm....Well the Catholic Church is currently only the #2 property owner in the world, after all.
http://www.businessinsider.com/worlds-biggest-landowners-2011-3#3-pope-benedict-13
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Kingdom Consolidation and Sales are coming – Reliable Source
by thedepressedsoul ini heard form a reliable source that a kingdom hall consolidation is going to be happening in the us.
currently they are looking at every kingdom hall to see if they could and should sell it.
any kingdom hall that has not been updated and is in a bad location (long driveway, not in a visible location etc...) will be sold.
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Yea, maybe in a couple of metro areas in foreign language congregations may be growth, but I wasn't seeing it in English speaking congs.
Same here. At the last Circuit Assembly, and the last SAD before that, a grand total of 1 person got baptized at each. Out of 1,200 in attendance, it doesn't indicate a whole lot of actual growth. Of course most JWs will interpret building a new KH as a sign of "growth". Heck, even if they consolidated congregations, to cram as many people as possible into one auditorium, most JWs would somehow interpret that as "growth" and get all excited about it.
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Kingdom Consolidation and Sales are coming – Reliable Source
by thedepressedsoul ini heard form a reliable source that a kingdom hall consolidation is going to be happening in the us.
currently they are looking at every kingdom hall to see if they could and should sell it.
any kingdom hall that has not been updated and is in a bad location (long driveway, not in a visible location etc...) will be sold.
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Just to recap, they are currently looking at every Kingdom Hall and if it’s is outdated, not visible and in a bad location expect to see it for sale in the next year or two.
I'm going to speculate and say that added to this group will be any older hall that sits on land that is now very desirable and valuable. Those kinds of properties are cash cows and will likely net the WTS $1,000,000+ each.
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Is it possible to post the "L-Z" cities? The city I've historically been assigned to only has 2 English scheduled, where I think it has typically been more like 4 English.
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EDIT: Never mind...just followed the link. Duh.
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Will the GB use the on going conflict with Muslim extremists as a sign of the end being near?
by adjusted knowledge ini haven't read over much of the recent articles in the last decade from the wt.
i wonder if they will mention muslim extremists and use that fear as a control mechanism on their members.
i have a feeling they will resist mentioning islam specifically.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see them declare the countries that generally align with Islam as the collective "King of the North" and those that generally align with Christendom as the collective "King of the South".
As a side point, ISIS may not give two hoots about JWs, but I suspect the WTS is acutely aware of how violent Muslim extremists can be. In this past week's WT Study article, there was a photo of a JW preaching in what appears to be an Istanbul-like city. The woman in the background was wearing a hijab, but her face was completely out of focus. The man in the background was wearing blue keffiyeh, but his back was completely to the camera, so he too was completely unrecognizable. The WTS has no problem posing a JW model in a Roman collar for a photo, but seem a little less bold posing a JW as a Muslim.
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Does anyone have the 2014 stats from the 2015 Yearbook yet?
by berrygerry indoes anyone have the 2014 stats from the 2015 yearbook yet?.
(isn't it usually out by now - or are they waiting to celebrate new year's day?
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Percentage increase 2.2 .
But baptisms are -1%
Interesting.I noticed that as well. I suppose this is because the 8.2 (peak)/7.9 million (average) publishers being reported on includes unbaptised publishers?
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Emblem Takers Mentally Unstable?
by Cold Steel inonthewayout wrote: of course, for quite awhile (and probably still), congregations have been viewing any relatively young (maybe under 50 or even 60) partakers as mentally unstable and watchtower ignores such people anyway and says they must listen to the elders.
is this correct?
ever since the emblem-takers were given emeritus status as members of the faithful and discreet slave, have they been relegated to standard membership?
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Does anyone know of a partaker who does so continuously but has doubts?
I believe there are a group of ex JWs that partake (on their own), and still believe they are of the anointed.
Is this the group you're referring to? I've followed it a little out of intellectual curiousity and for observational purposes only, but I am personally aware of several JWs who have become involved with this group. It includes former overseers at the congregation level and those who have had significant responsibilities in the past in Brooklyn (having been named by others on this forum as having influential roles there back in the 70s-80s).