What i have found kind of strange is how little evidence of dubs being dubs on there facebook accounts.
Except at convention time. Selfies galore!
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Not very zealous as before
by anointed1 inwhat i sense from the conversations of my family members and relatives who are jws is that at least some jws are not as zealous before with regard to the major subjects such as “sanctification of god’s name,” “vindication of his sovereignty” etc.
they begin to feel that such subjects are imaginary issues.. this is a good sign.
it shows people are worried about their own day-to-day worries.
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How does the Preaching Work get done Under a Ban?
by Quarterback inthe year book tells us that some activity in fs is being performed in countries that are banned, is this accurate?
how on earth is it accomplished?
do anyone have any experience?.
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What ProdigalApostate said.
Similar techniques used in certain oil rich countries in the Middle East-- although there they only target expats. They'd get in serious trouble if they got caught trying to preach to Muslims. The government tolerates them, though. Meetings, even circuit assemblies held as "business conferences" at hotels. No songs allowed though.
In Singapore, I'd only add that the government knows they're there, doesn't really interfere, and has even been known to give them a heads up on a "raid" to ensure no Western expats are there when they show up.
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Witness weddings
by dothemath inrecently went to a witness wedding, and after the vows the bride and groom were introduced as "brother and sister".....(then last name).....(then the big kiss).
this is likely not unusual (i've heard it before), but with lots of "worldly" people in attendance it seems out of place to me.. i was just wondering if that's the way it is most places?.
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At our wedding, I specifically asked our speaker (A bethel branch committee member) to NOT use that expression.
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Yeah, I was just at a wedding where the bride and groom had to specifically dictate the same. The speaker was more than willing but several elders there clearly had their noses out of joint over the whole ceremony. They'd been hassling the couple over all these unwritten WT ceremony "requirements", so they just said eff it, and found a non-elder friend to give the talk instead. The talk got rave reviews, but curiously the elders all huddled together afterward and didn't have a thing to say.
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A new way to boost hours
by neat blue dog init seems that metro witnesses have beeen directed to now have a total of 5 people at each location, as well as 'encouraged' to witness on their lunch breaks, (thus being able to count their time all the way through).
these 2 things should help boost the yearly hours..
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It's a kindness really, if you think of it. Barely anyone ever approaches or engages in conversation, so you're stuck talking to only one other person your entire "shift". This way you at least get four other people to shoot the shit with.
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January 19, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN WALES Re: Prerecorded Memorial and Special Talk 2017 - Welsh
by wifibandit injanuary 19, 2017 to all bodies of elders in wales re: prerecorded memorial and special talk 2017 - welsh.
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Is it possible to decline preaching in the carts?
by Skepsis inhi folks,.
i have a difficult dilemma.
since i'm not pioneering any more, i'm reducing my hours wasted at that artifact known as cart or trolley.
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Don't show up. Decline to transport yourself to the location of the cart.
Once the elders see you as irresponsible, they'll pick someone else to to cart-witness.
Bingo! This.
Even an MS can start demonstrating a lack of responsibility. It may even help you in the future when you start your fade.
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Pseudo history in Watchtower today 😂
by Gorbatchov ingorby went to the kh for family reasons today.. and landed right away middle in a pseudo history watchtower article.
just that aspect of the jw belief he is so sensative about.. so 1918 and 1919 are changed with one mark of a pencil.
the argument of change was in the past the argument of the doctrine.
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The question arrises: most of JW's (including myself) have been told over and over what happened in 1918 en 1919. Year after year, book after book, they instructed us what to think. Even with the exact dates for example in the Revelation books. If you didn't believe these events; you could be kicked out for being apostate and "knowing it better then the brothers".
I couldn't believe it sitting there. He went on and on saying how logical this new understanding was. He actually had the audience laughing aloud, guffawing even, at how "silly" (yes, an exact quote) it was to believe that 1918-19 represented Babylonish capitivity, that it didn't make any sense whatsoever.
It took every ounce of strength I had not to stand up, throw my iPad toward the stage and say, "Look at yourselves! You're openly laughing and knee slapping at how ridiculous and illogical this teaching was! A teaching we've held dear for decades; a teaching that, if I had rejected and instead proposed what we're studying today six months ago, I would have been labeled an apostate and disfellowshipped!"
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Kingdom Hall Master Plan. - letter - Consolidation.
by Lostandfound injust seen reference to a recent letter read to congregations about this, anyone got more info please?.
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I read the same thing here somewhere on the forum that a letter was read to the congregation this week?
This could be referencing my post to this thread:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6310981636456448/elders-getting-burnt-up?page=5&size=10
It was a letter from the branch read at our meeting this week. I wanted to snap a quick pic to post here for inquiring minds, but it just didn't work out. I will try next week.
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Elders getting burnt up.
by biblexaminer inthe elders in this area are getting burned out.
i have overheard comments that demonstrate this, but in my dealings with them, i clearly see it.
they can't keep it straight.
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From what I've seen, those who have been recently appointed fall into 1 of 2 categories:
1. They've achieved nothing of note in their "real lives"-- they have dead-end, low paying jobs, and can barely afford to put food on their families' tables or provide a comfortable home they could be proud of. It's the only "marker" of success in their lives. It's the one chance they'll ever get in their lives to play the role of boss-- put on a cheap suit, a tacky pocket handkerchief, and tell other people what to do.
2. Those who actually have a brain in their heads, who became MS's because they were willing to step up and help getting lots of the little stuff done. The whole time they say "...but there is NO WAY I'll ever be an elder. I'll decline when they ask me." But then when the time comes, the pressure comes hard and they just can't say no.
They just read the letter at our hall this past weekend informing us of the new Kingdom Hall Master Plan arrangement (consolidate and sell all the really valuable KHs). The majority of the letter talked about efficient use of the KHs and following directions willingly, but then it had a very out-of-place paragraph about a great need for brothers to step up and reach out to be an MS and/or elder and that if you don't want to, you need to pray about it (or some such blather). Clearly this is a problem that is just getting worse.
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2017 Yearbook released
by bohm ini saw this on reddit:.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5mlgsm/2017_yearbook_of_jehovahs_witnesses/.
overall the numbers are better than last year (1.8% growth compared to 1.5% last year -- as i predicted ;-) ) with an increase in all major figures including 1300 more congregations (i assume this is not physical kingdom halls?).
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This sounds extremely concerning if correct. I can grasp what "inquiries" consist of, but "plain persecution" has me baffled. Can you provide an example of such "persecution"? I am not being facetious in my request.
I'm not sure if it's "persecution" per se, but there have been a number in halls in that area whose views and beliefs on partaking are "known" to the elders there. They've consisted of long serving CoBE, regular convention speakers, those who have professed being anointed for decades (even when they were in positions of significance in Bethel), among others. Most have been smart and played the game well because they actually know the rules, so they haven't been DF'd.
One of them who was DF'd is now one of the key writers on anointedjw.org. I thought I saw his first-hand account of his JC posted here a while back, but maybe not. I can definitely confirm that there are others who agree with their logic, but would never publicly join them. Definitely a known issue in the area, though.
