due to lack of any intimacy with these guys it is hard to say for sure, but listening to the talks on the internet i think anthony morris is the biggest with gerrit losch second runner-up.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xml-u6-kkj8.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b7drwti-h4.
I thought that Anthony was very open about his concern over the convincing power of some professor, over the Org.
What does it mean when a J-dub youth who has spend 18+ YEARS going to 5 meetings a week, preparing for those meetings, preparing and delivering talks, going in the ministry, doing personal study, Family Worship, D/C, SAD, CAs, etc. is convinced by a single professor teaching a single 12 week course?
we had an old time jw pass away recently he lived his entire life lie the new system was going to be here tomorrow.. he was a gillard grad and went on to be missionry in west africa.. came back home when wife got pregent(they eventuly had 3 children) ,sold everything pre 75 to see the system out and pioneer then had to work his butt off to rebuild his finances and put a roof over his familys head.. he retired and became a co till his wifes health could no longer alow it.. he got a treminal illness and i wonder in his quiter moments did he think ....".ive lived my entire life for a dream that never came true".
he's only one of many i see,their lives comming to an end and the new system is no closer than it was when they started.. .
karter..
1 Cor 15:19
"...we are of all men most to be pitied."
well i think the borg crossed the line with many of the r&f.
met a young woman at a class i take come to find out she and her husband are recent ex-jws.
they were both born-ins and they felt the printing company is taking too many liberties and that many in the khs are not talking about it... just leaving.
Roberta804, as a caveat, college isn't explicitly forbidden for those with "privileges". The policy leaves just enough wiggle room to allow congregations to interpret it on a case-by-case basis. There's a branch letter out there somewhere I think, but the gist of it is:
- Are they encouraging others to pursue the same course?
- What is their motive-- money and prestige, or gaining a specific skill?
- Has it/will it impact their theocratic activity (service time/meeting attendance)?
If they trigger any of the above, it's likely you lose your privileges. That being said, I do know several elders/MS/Pioneers whose children (or they themselves are currently in 4-year or master's programs of some type. All depends on your congregation, your CO, and who you know.
is there any protesting done outside the assemblies?
or is it only done at conventions?
i believe some of my relatives have an assembly coming up soon.
There were protesters every once in a while at the DC in my years growing up, but not at the CA/SAD. Anytime protesters/picketers were there, everyone just avoided them, then laughed at them once safely inside. It definitely reinforced the Org's message that "apostates are mentally diseased."
Someone more qualified than myself can probably give you some explanations around cult/high-control-group reflex reactions, even among those who have doubts about doctrine/rules.
I'm not sure if members' reactions would be different if it was something as simple as a banner hanging nearby that read: www.jehovahs-witness.net (Maybe with a "'The Truth' is Out There..." Hahaha....) That way there's no person that can been seen as "crazy", no clear message that defines an issue you could be "bitter" about, just a website whose URL can be easily remembered.
If I saw that, I'd think "Hmmm...obviously 'apostate', but I wonder what that website is?" As much as humans are naturally defensive when their [faith] community is under attack, they're equally imbued with a natural sense of curiousity.
watchtower studies like today's really make me feel anger for this cult.
i mean almost all of them do but this one is one of those articles that takes things too far.. i mean they are condemning the people who are trying to help/save the earth because it's "satan's" world and instead are saying that religious salesmen with magazines are doing way more than the others!like are you f**king kidding me?another reason why i hated this study article is for what some of the young ones did in response to the study.
as one was unwrapping a piece of candy, he decided to throw the wrapper on the ground.
"it doesn't matter because we're only temporary here and god's gonna fix it anyway." And then the other kid just nodded away in agreement.
Hey, that's the same conversation I hear between all the baby boomer J-dubs that are just now realizing they haven't saved enough (any?) money for retirement!
"Well it's a good thing Armaggedon will be here soon before it becomes an issue for me!" (Righttt....I'm sure Jehovah's planning the date of death of billions of men, women, and children based on how small your 401(k) balance is.)
R_O
recently we had the 'privilege' of attending our local special assembly day.
the theme for this year was safeguard your conscience, and you guessed it, they looked up every reference to the word 'conscience' in the bible and then wrote a talk about each one.
it was most definitely a case of "pack your bags, we're going on a guilt trip.".
Weddings. We do all things for God's glory...[t]hey would of course want to use a Kingdom Hall, because they love and are thankful to Jehovah as the originator of mariage.
Is there anything in print that suggests this strongly that the wedding should be at the KH vs. other locations? Maybe couples would be more likely to use the KH if they were even halfway attractive on the inside. You spend tens of thousands of dollars on dresses, tuxedos, flowers, etc., but you want to hold the event in a boring auditorium with a suspended ceiling, fluorescent lights, tacky chairs, and a mauve-based color scheme that was only slightly fashionable back in 1991. How romantic!
I was once told by someone that you should choose to get married at the KH because it served as an outward sign to everyone in attendance that your courtship remained clean and honorable. Rightttt.....I'm sure that's always the case.
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my wife took my kids to a special talk last night and i had no clue.
i came home from work at 9pm and no one was home.
i misplaced my house key so luckily they pulled in the drive way only minutes after me.
If you encourage him to go to college, he'll learn/sharpen valuable critical thinking skills that will serve him well in ALL of life's important decisions...including which faith he should follow.
Sorry, I don't know your background. Are/Were you ever a J-dub? The only other observation I would make is that if he gets baptised BEFORE going to college, any future decision not to follow the J-dub faith will have a much bigger impact on his life and the relationship with his J-dub family.
last week a sister in my new hall made the following comment,.
"a brother once told me that it is better to be wrong with the organization, than to be right and be on your own without the organization.".
wow.
There was a brother who, during his #4 talk, outright blamed the suicide of a young man in the hall on the elders. His arguement was that the elders didn't pay close enough attention to his needs. You could hear a pin drop as he walked off the stage. They didn't even wait until the end of the meeting before dragging him back to the library.
There's a District Overseer that brings up "Higher Education" at every opportunity. To illustrate the "dangers" of it, he always relates the same story of two young sisters from the same hall who decided to go to college together and be roommates in the dorm. What happened? They became LESBIANS!
