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  Reminder to the faithful slave

  by bobld in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  wt 2000. six convincing lines of evidence.. sixth-number of anointed disciples of christ is dwindling,some will still be on earth when the great tribulation begins.most of the remnant are quite elderly..........................the number has been getting smaller.they are now 10 years older or quite elderly.. b. .

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  MrFreeze

  itsacult, can't you at least add something to the discussion for a change?
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  Don't Ignore Us!

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i first left the jw's some years ago, one of the most incredible observations i made was just how irrelevant the wt and jw's were to the larger public.

  when the conversation turned to my history (as it often did, because i desperately wanted to discuss it) the most comon reaction was of complete unawareness of the jw's, much less their doctrine, or complete surprise that i regarded them as destructive.

  to the later, the jw's were understood to be just another church like any other, a little weird perhaps but just one of the many churches in town.

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  MrFreeze

  When I tell people about JW's and what really goes on, they are all very shocked and appalled. For 99.9% of people, the only thing they know about JW's is that they go door to door and they dont' celebrate holiday.
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  Attention Lurkers- Consider the effectiveness of your lifesaving work

  by stuckinamovement in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hypothetical scenario.

  you are a city manager in a major metropolitan city with a population of 3,000,000.. .

  if the governing body was truly convinced themselves of the impending disaster and the fact that the end is imminent would they not focus their efforts in spreading the message through effective means such as telephone, television, internet, social networks etc?

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  MrFreeze

  Hey now, quit with the logic.
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  ...Watchtower World..A place where "Stupid is Better!"...

  by OUTLAW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "watchtower world"... "a place where "stupid is better!"...

  the wbt$ is always doing something stupid..from the begining of the wbt$ to this very day... stupid is on the menu,in watchtower world... .

  it never ends..there is always something stupid happening within the wbt$... these are bethel one liners..bethelites have posted on jwd/jwn... that i have collected over time... .

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  MrFreeze

  You people are so mean making fun of the mentally challenged.
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  Ton Ten REASONS why Jehovah's Witnesses simply can't abide reality

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  1.the organization itself denies access to reality and substitutes its own version, interpretations and meanings.. a.only watchtower approved publications are allowed.. b.no higher education is to be pursued.. c.no non-jw friends or associations are encouraged with their "outside" points of view.. d.no free-style questioning of doctrine or criticism permitted.

  curiousity is verboten.. e.threat of being "marked" or disassociated looms over them.

  2.between every real-world event and the rank and file jw's mind is a roadblock.. a.the moment of identifying is short-circuited by an interpretive moment of re-labeling in watchtower-speak.. b.all things happening are forced into a narrow storyline and propagandized as end times happenings leading to armageddon.. 3.social and personal identity is expunged and replaced by a collective persona: "jehovah's witness".. a.private thinking is red-flagged as selfish and sinful.. b.personal improvement, welfare and ambition is crushed and door-to-door ministry substituted as "worthy" endeavors.. c.self-conscious obsession permeates witness awareness as each person is transformed into a public spectacle of performance for judgement.. d.since you aren't an individual you don't really have a right to fall in love and marry or educate or earn.

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  MrFreeze

  I know exactly what you mean when you said "Intelligence itself is markes as suspicious". When I started talking about my differing viewpoints, an elder said "you are too smart for your own good".
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  Christmas visit from the elders

  by MrFreeze in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yes the elders made another stop to continue to try to get me back to the meetings.

  my main argument with them has been the incorrect dates.

  607, 1914. they said i need to stop focusing on dates.

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  MrFreeze

  Thanks JYD, I would definitely enjoy checking that out as even more affirmation but if the whole 607 thing isn't making a difference, why would anything else?

  I'm well aware that anything I say will in no way change the way those elders feel. Why bother even continuing discussing with them? I don't know but at least they'll know how I feel.
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  What was the worst part of the conventions for YOU?

  by mochamint22 in

  1. social
  2. current

  i thought it'd be fun to talk about what part of the conventions just made you cringe or be annoyed with.

  i can remember a couple things:.

  i remember after the tms when they put the list in the back on the announcement board, there were people that would get up while the last song was being sung to write down the info.

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  MrFreeze

  Worst part was having to go at all. Kids should not be forced to go through that.
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  Christmas visit from the elders

  by MrFreeze in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yes the elders made another stop to continue to try to get me back to the meetings.

  my main argument with them has been the incorrect dates.

  607, 1914. they said i need to stop focusing on dates.

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  MrFreeze

  Thank you itsacult. I was unaware of that. But now that you have enlightened me it gives me a whole new perspective on the whole thing. Heck, I wouldn't mind being part of a cult, maybe I'll go back.
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  Christmas visit from the elders

  by MrFreeze in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yes the elders made another stop to continue to try to get me back to the meetings.

  my main argument with them has been the incorrect dates.

  607, 1914. they said i need to stop focusing on dates.

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  MrFreeze

  DING DING DING! We have a winner! skeeter, that is EXACTLY the point I was driving home with 607. If 607 is wrong, 1914 is wrong. If 1914 is wrong, Jehovah's Witnesses whole belief system about last days is wrong.

  They don't see it like that. They said "you spend all this time dwelling on one point and you are going to let that keep you from serving Jehovah!" It's so funny how it's always the fault of the people, the GB is NEVER the one to blame when it comes up with BS and you catch them in it.
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  "Dubs For Dummies"

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear brothers and sisters in the worldwide brotherhood of jehovahs witnessestm,.

  there has been much public interest in our beliefs lately, so we have prepared a very brief summary of our core beliefs in a new pamphlet which you may offer to interested persons.

  hopefully, this pamphlet will generate enough interest with honest-hearted people and enable you to start many new bible studies.

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  MrFreeze

  I wish I had been around here 8 years ago. May Jehoober's blessings be upon you farkel!