i want to have a timeline on this un stuff, especially since 1991, complete with their anti-un quotes as well as the little acts of prosititution along the way.
i will put it up on my site as can others, and i want to print it in booklet form.
anyone have the time?
Boy, if someone had time to do that, it'd be great. I don't read the board every day, and today I wanted to send a note to an ex-JW friend telling him about this UN thing. I thought--oh, it's easy. I'll just go back and find the relevant posts. Much more difficul than I thought!! Do you know how many posts this subject has generated? :-) It'd be really great to have a concise synopsis.
Julie
http://encarta.msn.com/quiz/quiz.asp?quizid=14 .
closer.
mean people produce.
Don't feel bad, Seeker. I got them all correct, too, although I admit I guessed on a couple of questons.
makena1 spoke about a co who was a fan of the detroit pistons and he went on:"this same co (perhaps a do years later) was removed because he was caught or finally admitted that he had been consorting with prostitutes.
apparently he paid for this from gifts given to him by wealthier brothers.
does this ring a bell for anyone?
Wasn't that Jimmy Swaggart? Oops. Wrong religion.
here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
Who cares? Maybe there are newbies here who haven't seen those posts. It doesn't hurt to revisit the topic.
i have an 8yr old step-daughter caught up in the madness of the jws through unrelenting fear based brainwashing by her mother.
my husband and i would like to know if anyone has been in a similar situation and is able to help us let her know that there is another more loving way of living in this world.
its frightening to see the damage my husbands ex is doing to this inocent little girls mind.
We had a good outcome in our family. Alan's daughter was being raised by her finatical JW mother, and after all of us moved to different places (we were even out of the country for a while), we only got to see her a few times a year. We didn't say too much to her directly about the Witnesses, but there were many times our apostate friends visited (including some of those horrid Nowegians), :-) She also went with us to visit friends like Jim Penton and Richard Rawe. I know she heard a lot, and my sister was worried that hearing us and our friends put down the Witnesses would be too traumatic for her. But when she was 14 she surprised us by telling us she didn't want to be a Witness any longer and that she wanted to come live with us.
Don't give up hope. Just show her by example that you are good, decent, loving people, and as she gets older she may be able to see things for herself.
Julie
while there may be some exceptions the majority of ex jws that leave or that are dfed suffer from deep emotional wounding from their jw experience.
what choices does a person have being in this situation and what are the long-term consequences of their decisions?.
do nothing: this in and of itself is a choice.
I did two of the things you list, well, sort of.
1) I went to therapy for about a year. It helped a lot.
2) I joined a non-religion--the UUs. UU isn't really a religion because it doesn't have any dogma and its members include Christians and atheists (and everything inbetween), but it does replace that empty hole left by lack of fellowship and wanting to be part of a group. I like their community spirit and desire to help others. Of course, I haven't gone to a UU meeting in a long time, but that's the great part about it--I don't have to feel guilty if I don't go.
Julie F
here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
Hi, and welcome to the board.
I'm so sorry to hear your story; I'm afraid that many JWs and ex-JWs have reacted this way to the terrorist attacks. Others who are more knowledable than me can take on the subject of peace and security. I'd like to respond to your post in general.
I left the Witnesses way back in 1984; I had a lot of doubts and although I hadn't done any deep studying, I knew things weren't right and didn't make sense. But I had, in the back of my mind, the worry that I'd done the wrong thing, that maybe the Witnesses were right and that my kids would die at Armageddon because of my decision. Do you know what finally put those thoughts to rest for me? (And for many other ex-JWs?) Reading Ray Franz's two books: Crisis of Consience and In Search of Christian Freedom. Ray goes into great detail about JW teachings and the way the organization is run. After reading two books, I don't see how your fiance could still believe the Witnesses are right about the Armageddon predictions. Please try to get him to read the books. You can order them from several different places, including FreeMinds.org and Amazon.
I wish you luck, and I hope you can convince your fiance that the Witnesses are wrong, wrong, wrong about this--both for your sake and for his.
Best wishes,
Julie
1/.milieu control: control of the group environment and communication .
2/.manipulation: leaders are perceived as being chosen by god, history or some supernatural force.
salvation can only be attained through the cult .
Deacon, I'm at work and can't get to my library. Is this list from Steven Hassen's "Combatting Cult Mind Control?"
Thanks!
chasson posted this in another thread, and i think it should be brought to the forefront.
thank you, chasson for showing us all this link.. typical society response to tragedy.
so three people got out and got to brooklyn.
thewiz, I believe you when you say you don't look forward to the death of mankind at god's hands. But can you deny that you pray for the new system to come? And that means that you're also praying for Armageddon to come, which means you're praying for the majority of mankind, including children and babies, to be slaughtered by your god and his angels. It's easy to forget about this part of it and focus on the "glorious new system," but you have to live with the reality that if your Armageddon comes as you hope and pray, you'll witness some of the most horrifying events imaginable. If you choose to believe in--and even reverently worship--a god who could do such a thing, be my guest. But that's why I refuse to believe in god, at least the god the JWs worship and especially the god of the old testament.
Hi Norm. Good post.
I can only say that I wish my JW brother would stop hating me. He must not read the Awake.
